v.2 1,471 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 @Members As you may have noticed from the TPE bans that have been handed out recently, AI use in point tasks is becoming a bit of an issue. I would just like to remind you all that using these tools in an attempt to earn TPE is against the VHL Code of Conduct, as stated below: Quote 1.2 Cheating Cheating will not be tolerated. There are various forms of cheating in the league, the punishment for which is determined by the severity of the violation. Plagiarism is considered cheating. All point tasks to be claimed for TPE, including but not limited to, graphics, article posts, and podcasts must be original content. This includes the use of AI assistance Expand Our lovely crew of updaters will also be taking this matter more seriously, and will begin to use detection tools before approving submissions. This goes for both AI generated media spot content AND graphics. Thank you all for understanding, I know AI tech is moving at an exponential rate and is an amazing resource, however maintaining the integrity of the league and an even playing field for all members is paramount. Garsh, okochastar, AJW and 12 others 12 1 1 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator samx 1,201 Posted November 18, 2023 Head Moderator Share Posted November 18, 2023 Using that members tag as soon as he got permission to eh? tcookie, Cookie, v.2 and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory 2,009 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Ok? v.2 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 11,229 Posted November 18, 2023 Admin Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 8:10 PM, samx said: Using that members tag as soon as he got permission to eh? Expand new and improved v.3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
v.2 1,471 Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 8:14 PM, rory said: Ok? Expand (this post was written with the assistance of GPT-3.5) rory 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahma 1,483 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) dammit. our podcast @FrostBeard is ruined! we totally seriously absolutely script every episode with AI and just read it out loud like nerds (this is a joke btw fyi) Edited November 18, 2023 by Ahma Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight 1,322 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 So any form of AI assistance is strictly prohibited? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostBeard 2,076 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 8:31 PM, Ahma said: dammit. our podcast @FrostBeard is ruined! we totally seriously absolutely script every episode with AI and just read it out loud like nerds Expand That is us. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triller 1,765 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 8:08 PM, v.2 said: @Members As you may have noticed from the TPE bans that have been handed out recently, AI use in point tasks is becoming a bit of an issue. I would just like to remind you all that using these tools in an attempt to earn TPE is against the VHL Code of Conduct, as stated below: Our lovely crew of updaters will also be taking this matter more seriously, and will begin to use detection tools before approving submissions. This goes for both AI generated media spot content AND graphics. Thank you all for understanding, I know AI tech is moving at an exponential rate and is an amazing resource, however maintaining the integrity of the league and an even playing field for all members is paramount. Expand What if a generic hockey player is generated using AI and then the jersey swap is done along with the background changes, text and overlays people do on typical graphics? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
N0HBDY 1,164 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 9:00 PM, Triller said: What if a generic hockey player is generated using AI and then the jersey swap is done along with the background changes, text and overlays people do on typical graphics? Expand I think the art style difference is significant enough. Like if you told an ai to use the Davos logo I think it’d have some noticeable defects to it. Imo if you wanna go that route instead of finding a random photo to use, go for it Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triller 1,765 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 9:03 PM, N0HBDY said: I think the art style difference is significant enough. Like if you told an ai to use the Davos logo I think it’d have some noticeable defects to it. Imo if you wanna go that route instead of finding a random photo to use, go for it Expand No no, you don't tell it to use any logo, you generate a generic hockey player, on green screen to make it easier to cut out then you add your team logo and all the additional changes that a common sig on the forum does. Wondering if they've considered that. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrad 359 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 But isn't there already tools to avoid detection from ai tools? schools are having same problems with this and students are figuring out websites to make it look more real Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
N0HBDY 1,164 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 9:18 PM, comrade cat said: But isn't there already tools to avoid detection from ai tools? schools are having same problems with this and students are figuring out websites to make it look more real Expand It’ll always be an endless battle Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory 2,009 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 I have made an AI that will read all the forums and look for AI content. Cheaters beware! Even if you used AI in 2017 I'll find you. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triller 1,765 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 8:08 PM, v.2 said: @Members As you may have noticed from the TPE bans that have been handed out recently, AI use in point tasks is becoming a bit of an issue. I would just like to remind you all that using these tools in an attempt to earn TPE is against the VHL Code of Conduct, as stated below: Our lovely crew of updaters will also be taking this matter more seriously, and will begin to use detection tools before approving submissions. This goes for both AI generated media spot content AND graphics. Thank you all for understanding, I know AI tech is moving at an exponential rate and is an amazing resource, however maintaining the integrity of the league and an even playing field for all members is paramount. Expand Another question, will the detection tools flag images that are upscaled using AI? I use upscaling tools frequently and some will recognize and slightly alter faces to generate a clearer image. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,422 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 9:48 PM, Triller said: Another question, will the detection tools flag images that are upscaled using AI? I use upscaling tools frequently and some will recognize and slightly alter faces to generate a clearer image. Expand I mean Photoshop has filters which work in the same way but you have to manually adjust to find the right settings that work for the image. So not sure how much different that is. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan 4,763 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 9:48 PM, Triller said: Another question, will the detection tools flag images that are upscaled using AI? I use upscaling tools frequently and some will recognize and slightly alter faces to generate a clearer image. Expand Not speaking for V.2, but there will never be a tool that can tell us that something is clearly based on AI or just a tool used for something smaller. I think we can always have these individual conversations on a person by person basis, but we can always investigate the graphics makers and ask them to send us raw files or original graphics to prove their individual efforts. There's no clear cut answer here and it'll be based on updater judgment to reach out and investigate. Rin and v.2 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triller 1,765 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 9:53 PM, Spartan said: Not speaking for V.2, but there will never be a tool that can tell us that something is clearly based on AI or just a tool used for something smaller. I think we can always have these individual conversations on a person by person basis, but we can always investigate the graphics makers and ask them to send us raw files or original graphics to prove their individual efforts. There's no clear cut answer here and it'll be based on updater judgment to reach out and investigate. Expand As long as they dig deeper than using a surface detection tool it should be fine. Gonna have to start archiving my Photoshop files instead of deleting them to save space. Might have to show receipts. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hylands 850 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 gonna start streaming all of my point tasks for verification Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW 2,350 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triller 1,765 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 9:53 PM, Frank said: I mean Photoshop has filters which work in the same way but you have to manually adjust to find the right settings that work for the image. So not sure how much different that is. Expand Basic photoshop filters generally don't use AI. You can even create your own filters for quicker use. They definitely are using AI for other aspects in the software though I haven't had much use for any of that yet. It is getting crazy though and I'm all for it! I can't wait for 3D objects that you can generate and download. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,422 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 10:06 PM, Triller said: Basic photoshop filters generally don't use AI. You can even create your own filters for quicker use. They definitely are using AI for other aspects in the software though I haven't had much use for any of that yet. It is getting crazy though and I'm all for it! I can't wait for 3D objects that you can generate and download. Expand My version is from like 2012 so I wouldn't know. Triller and Subject056 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triller 1,765 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 10:07 PM, Frank said: My version is from like 2012 so I wouldn't know. Expand If I could share mine with you I would! 2023 is a whole different game. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan 4,763 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 9:57 PM, Triller said: As long as they dig deeper than using a surface detection tool it should be fine. Gonna have to start archiving my Photoshop files instead of deleting them to save space. Might have to show receipts. Expand I mean we can only use free web tools unless the league wants to invest in a forum add-on. But yes, I imagine the burden will likely fall onto the graphic maker to supply proof. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/142364-ai-and-point-tasks/#findComment-1004317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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