Enorama and McWolf should be fired

[jRuutu 2,464]

 

Season 68 has just started, but already we can see a worrying sign - expansion teams are not doing so well. Perhaps as expected, not going to be in the top of the standings right away, but still when you look the standings and then go take a look at the roster of D.C Dragons, it´s fair to ask - why did VHL expand?

 

Prague Panthers have made an effort to run a team that tries to win games, so it's unfair to even mention them next to D.C Dragons and in this expansion rant, but let's talk about D.C Dragons, six games - zero wins. Ten goals scored and thirty against. Bad start or lack of effort from the team and management?

 

D.C Dragons is a team that has 8 players in the roster, that is right: 8, but only 7 have been playing this year so far. They don´t have a goalie, so the bot has been playing. This a team that has 27 million dollars free to be used on players, but they refuse, why?  If we quickly study the available free agents in vhlportal we can see that Joe Nixon is free to be signed as a goalie, then you have 12 other players who are over 250 TPE - they have to be better than the bots? Why don´t they call the younger players up from the juniors? Surely there is at least a few who don´t mind playing in the big show and in a massive role instead of spending the year in juniors?

 

 

How is Prague Panthers able to run an expansion team that looks like a team and by the looks of it D.C United just refuses to even put together a decent lineup that tries to win, you have the cap space to sign a 340 TPE goalie, but you still go with a bot goalie. Have centers, wingers and defenders available to be signed, but still, they go with bots and double shifting.  To add extra humor value to it all - Enorama does not even have his own player in the team, McWolf same thing.

 

I mean I get it, someone has to finish last, not everybody has the ability to stay on top year after year, expansion teams are not the favorites to win the championship right away and that is the way it should go, but there has to be a limit to this.

 

At what point is the league going to step in? Are we seriously going to watch a full season of this and hope they get maybe 5 wins all year? If that is the case and they are allowed to run their team like that and mock the league by not even trying - why was the expansion even needed? Where are the players who so desperately needed to get ice time, oh wait I know where they are: not in D.C Dragons.

 

Must be nice to add team into the league to watch them not even try to win games.

 

[Gustav 6,405]

And 5 minutes later...

 

[Enorama 2,038]

17 minutes ago, GustavMattias said:

And 5 minutes later...

 

 

I'm actually ruutu's multi

[Advantage 2,891]

Why is it @Enorama fault that other teams dont want to trade their extra players to him?

 

He doesnt need to field a team of inactives technically.  He certainly shouldnt be fired for it (also his player is in the minors..).  Also not sure what McWolf has to do with this.

[Enorama 2,038]

27 minutes ago, Advantage said:

Why is it @Enorama fault that other teams dont want to trade their extra players to him?

 

He doesnt need to field a team of inactives technically.  He certainly shouldnt be fired for it (also his player is in the minors..).  Also not sure what McWolf has to do with this.

 

I'm about 99.9% certain he's memeing.

 

McWolf is my AGM, I suppose that's why he gets dragged into this.

[jRuutu 2,464]

1 hour ago, Advantage said:

Why is it @Enorama fault that other teams dont want to trade their extra players to him?

 

He doesnt need to field a team of inactives technically.  He certainly shouldnt be fired for it (also his player is in the minors..).  Also not sure what McWolf has to do with this.

Just ´funny´ to me to see something like this, lack of playing time and solid opportunities for roles was seen as super bad thing in they eyes of multiple users, but basically right away we see a team that does not even have a goalie, double shifts their D and has 3 forwards.  Was the expansion really needed?

 

The D.C junior players who are kept down in the juniors are now taking playing time from other junior players. They could be in big role and actually help D.C, more opportunities in the juniors for other players, D.C as a team plays better = we all win, but instead we have this mess.

 

Edited September 16, 2019 by jRuutu

[Advantage 2,891]

52 minutes ago, jRuutu said:

Just ´funny´ to me to see something like this, lack of playing time and solid opportunities for roles was seen as super bad thing in they eyes of multiple users, but basically right away we see a team that does not even have a goalie, double shifts their D and has 3 forwards.  Was the expansion really needed?

 

The D.C junior players who are kept down in the juniors are now taking playing time from other junior players. They could be in big role and actually help D.C, more opportunities in the juniors for other players, D.C as a team plays better = we all win, but instead we have this mess.

 

Minors players who are not at 200 tpe should not be in VHL.  That is a disservice to the prospects.

[jRuutu 2,464]

11 hours ago, Advantage said:

Minors players who are not at 200 tpe should not be in VHL.  That is a disservice to the prospects.

But still they use bots - what about the league?

[Enorama 2,038]

3 hours ago, jRuutu said:

But still they use bots - what about the league?

 

I'm not paying futures to acquire players just to ice a full roster, and my other alternative is to sign inactives, which does nothing for the league anyways. If other GMs want to sell people to me at below market value, they can be my guest.

[jRuutu 2,464]

7 minutes ago, Enorama said:

 

I'm not paying futures to acquire players just to ice a full roster, and my other alternative is to sign inactives, which does nothing for the league anyways. If other GMs want to sell people to me at below market value, they can be my guest.

How did the other team manage to put together a full lineup?

 

Had to expand and add teams, still there clearly is no rush in using those new opened roles when players can just sit in the juniors and the pro team can roll on with a empty team. You have what 3-4 or 200ish TPE players in the juniors, couple more above 100... I would say even trying with those players and with inactives would do a lot more for the league than whatever you are doing now.

 

How long you think you would have a job in any professional league if you used your friends and beer league players instead of decent players? Just loss after loss, everybody can see what you are doing, not even trying to ice a lineup. What is the point in expansion if one of the expansion teams does nothing to help with the lack of ice time problem that was supposed to be there.

 

 

[.sniffuM 1,741]

That's a lot of young players to deprive of achievement tracker TPE.

 

As a young, new member, would you rather score 15 points in the VHL for the worst team in the league or spend the year playing well in the VHLM and getting achievement tracker TPE (plus other stuff like VHLM fantasy zone and extra practice facility TPE)?

[jRuutu 2,464]

5 minutes ago, .sniffuM said:

That's a lot of young players to deprive of achievement tracker TPE.

 

As a young, new member, would you rather score 15 points in the VHL for the worst team in the league or spend the year playing well in the VHLM and getting achievement tracker TPE (plus other stuff like VHLM fantasy zone and extra practice facility TPE)?

If I would get to play on that valuable big role - I would play in the worst VHL team instead of one more year in the juniors. That is just me though, but at the same time if there clearly is not enough players who even want to play in a big role when the opportunity comes, not enough GMs who are willing to play players in those big roles when opportunity to do so comes - why the need to expand?

 

[Enorama 2,038]

3 minutes ago, jRuutu said:

You have what 3-4 or 200ish TPE players in the juniors, couple more above 100... I would say even trying with those players and with inactives would do a lot more for the league than whatever you are doing now.

 

I gave everyone the option of whether they wanted to play up or not, I'm not gonna let their player get their shit pushed in if they'd rather light it up in the M for another year.

 

5 minutes ago, jRuutu said:

How long you think you would have a job in any professional league if you used your friends and beer league players instead of decent players?

 

Again, acquiring decent players would cost assets. There's no reason for me to use these assets when I can wait a year or two instead and use these decent players in a time that I'll be competing.

 

I thought you were trolling at first, but now I'm not so sure. Do you not remember Moscow just a few seasons ago or the IRL Washington Capitals of 74-75? Expansion teams have historically been very bad, and spending the valuable assets that a certain GM has asked me for to help trim his roster doesn't do anything positive for my franchise down the line.

[jRuutu 2,464]

2 minutes ago, Enorama said:

 

I gave everyone the option of whether they wanted to play up or not, I'm not gonna let their player get their shit pushed in if they'd rather light it up in the M for another year.

 

 

Again, acquiring decent players would cost assets. There's no reason for me to use these assets when I can wait a year or two instead and use these decent players in a time that I'll be competing.

 

I thought you were trolling at first, but now I'm not so sure. Do you not remember Moscow just a few seasons ago or the IRL Washington Capitals of 74-75? Expansion teams have historically been very bad, and spending the valuable assets that a certain GM has asked me for to help trim his roster doesn't do anything positive for my franchise down the line.

I feel it´s not really up to them to decide if option is you using clearly better player or use a bot instead. You as a GM pick the better player from juniors and tell them to suck it up and play in the top-6. Or that is how I remember it went years ago, came up from the juniors and you did not exactly set the league on fire, but you played a lot. What has happened now that players do not even want to come up, they don´t want to play in that big role, but at the same time there is a lot of users who feel it´s a bad thing if those top-6 roles are not available.

 

I know it costs assets, but there is also those inactive free agents, willing to bet that you would have a lot better year with couple ´junior´ players and round up the roster with those inactives.

 

I don´t remember, went in and looked - s65 I guess?  I see pretty clear difference between that team and your current team, Moscow team actually looks like team. Can see they at least tried to put a team together.

 

And once again, why did the league expand if it can clearly afford one of the new teams to be this selfish right away?

 

[.sniffuM 1,741]

5 minutes ago, jRuutu said:

If I would get to play on that valuable big role - I would play in the worst VHL team instead of one more year in the juniors. That is just me though, but at the same time if there clearly is not enough players who even want to play in a big role when the opportunity comes, not enough GMs who are willing to play players in those big roles when opportunity to do so comes - why the need to expand?

 

 

So that the league doesn't need to scramble for a bigger expansion in the future. The S67 draft currently has 42 players over 200 TPE, S66 has 50. Across the old 10 teams that's over 9 players per team that, at worst, will be forced to play up by next season, from just 2 draft classes. That's why expansion was needed.

[frescoelmo 1,276]

In my defense @Enorama wanted to trade for me, I was willing to move, and @Beaviss rejected it...  then never called me up 

[Advantage 2,891]

13 minutes ago, jRuutu said:

I feel it´s not really up to them to decide if option is you using clearly better player or use a bot instead. You as a GM pick the better player from juniors and tell them to suck it up and play in the top-6. Or that is how I remember it went years ago, came up from the juniors and you did not exactly set the league on fire, but you played a lot. What has happened now that players do not even want to come up, they don´t want to play in that big role, but at the same time there is a lot of users who feel it´s a bad thing if those top-6 roles are not available.

 

I know it costs assets, but there is also those inactive free agents, willing to bet that you would have a lot better year with couple ´junior´ players and round up the roster with those inactives.

 

I don´t remember, went in and looked - s65 I guess?  I see pretty clear difference between that team and your current team, Moscow team actually looks like team. Can see they at least tried to put a team together.

 

And once again, why did the league expand if it can clearly afford one of the new teams to be this selfish right away?

 

So you are saying a GM shouldnt ask a players opinion on decisions affecting his career and happiness in the league.

 

How is this being selfish? So his team sucks? It isnt hurting the league really..next year he will have most of his prospects and then from there on he will only get better.

 

He isnt even really gaining anything from "tanking" since the chances are equal of 1st pick no matter what so how is he selfish?

[Advantage 2,891]

I cant even imagine telling a player with like 100 tpe.  "I know you want to play in vhlm where you can perform well but instead I'm gonna give you top 6 minutes where you'll get wrecked." Like what an absolutely poor way to handle a member and player.

 

You consider their opinion and when a 100 tpe player wont really help you...your better off letting them develop where they can perform.

Edited September 17, 2019 by Advantage

[Beaviss 4,957]

8 minutes ago, frescoelmo said:

In my defense @Enorama wanted to trade for me, I was willing to move, and @Beaviss rejected it...  then never called me up 

 

I never rejected it he did...

[Mr_Hatter 1,608]

Also, expansion teams got (IMO) kinda screwed with their draft place. Like seriously, a team that literally has zero players or a bunch of surplus players from expansion draft has to draft after the champion? So it makes sense they have even less options. Not only did they have worse picks this year, but there was less incentive for other teams to try and grab their picks this year in exchange for more picks/players

Edited September 17, 2019 by Mr_Hatter

[.sniffuM 1,741]

11 minutes ago, jRuutu said:

I feel it´s not really up to them to decide if option is you using clearly better player or use a bot instead. You as a GM pick the better player from juniors and tell them to suck it up and play in the top-6. Or that is how I remember it went years ago, came up from the juniors and you did not exactly set the league on fire, but you played a lot. What has happened now that players do not even want to come up, they don´t want to play in that big role, but at the same time there is a lot of users who feel it´s a bad thing if those top-6 roles are not available.

 

I know it costs assets, but there is also those inactive free agents, willing to bet that you would have a lot better year with couple ´junior´ players and round up the roster with those inactives.

 

I don´t remember, went in and looked - s65 I guess?  I see pretty clear difference between that team and your current team, Moscow team actually looks like team. Can see they at least tried to put a team together.

 

And once again, why did the league expand if it can clearly afford one of the new teams to be this selfish right away?

 

 

It'd be pretty bad practice as a GM to be told by a player they want to stay down, only to tell them they're playing up anyways. You're setting them up to play worse in the pros than they would have in the minors and sacrifice as much as 30 TPE to do it.

 

In general nothing about modern VHL can be compared to anything before S63ish; the increase in depth of good players makes it a pointless comparison. As recently as S62 or whenever it was, Podrick Cast was able to put up one of the most dominant performances in a season with two digits in number, despite being around 500 TPE.

 

Players have also fought to stay down forever. Gorlab with his first player is a prominent example, but players have always sacrificed TPE to stay down. It may not have seemed as prominent in the 40s and 50s because of less players overall but it was happening.

 

Not only that, but the league recently put in a change to allow players to stay down with less than 250 TPE, raising the cap from 200. This is because as the league grows, the average TPE of pro players grows, and the effectiveness of lower TPE diminishes. So players staying down is something you'll see more often than you do now.

[frescoelmo 1,276]

4 minutes ago, Beaviss said:

 

I never rejected it he did...

 

I reject your comment

 

Also when am I going to play

 

I have rights!!!!

[Rayzor_7 741]

This is some funny shit, I feel like this might just be a crack at Eno for no reason. Dude has done nothing wrong and everything right imo and clearly in the opinion of other members and GMs

[Beaviss 4,957]

18 hours ago, Advantage said:

Why is it @Enorama fault that other teams dont want to trade their extra players to him?

 

He doesnt need to field a team of inactives technically.  He certainly shouldnt be fired for it (also his player is in the minors..).  Also not sure what McWolf has to do with this.

 

Except im trying

[ColeMrtz 574]

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