Advantage

1. Sweet n Sour

2. Plum

3. Honey Mustard

I love the jersey itself.  Hate the ads but I'll hate them with the NHL too lol!

Been a long time since I've seen you around @brannan12a.  

Good to hear you are doing well! Have some memories of this league and some of the football ones (ISL for example) from back in the day.

Well then.  That's a name from the past.

Welcome back!

@Devise @Jericho

1 hour ago, McWolf said:

I was the lone vote for Kellinger last season and I will vote for him again this season. Possibly along with Hogan.

 

If we split it by position, it would go something. like that for me.

 

Kellinger > Kohler > Vikingstad > Oferson

Hogan > Davis > Killinger

Holik > Pepper

 

They were easily the four best to include on the bracket for this season, but Vikingstad, Oferson Davis and Killinger are all unimpressive for me, especially the two forwards. Only twice in top 10 for scoring, a high of 9th for Oferson. These are not HOF resumes.

I agree honestly all around.  

As for builder, I lean to Muffins or Cowboy.  I think Muffins sells himself short with his history in the league.

He was one of the biggest members in the league during the Reik days too.  He was a GM if I remember correctly for Vasty and was a big part of the podcast game doing three way and guesting on pajodcast.  I also think he's an integral member of our discord era and is one of the more likable league members.

He has been around as long as I have (literally...oddly enough he and I both came in briefly in S12 in an inactive way and both came back and really made our active debut in S17).

Keeping in mind too...retro actively guys like Kellinger would have at least 2 First Team All VHL spots and potentially a Second Team or two as well.

Holik and Kohler maybe too? I'd have to do research there though.

I want to add too I'm not arguing for awarding these players with awards that weren't around for them but rather shedding light on how new guys often have more awards on their resume (since they have more to win now).

2 hours ago, Victor said:

 

 

 

Now Kellinger or Kohler, I dunno. I don't recall a convincing argument either way for them over the years but maybe @Advantage recalls one.

 

I was pretty sure we all ended up agreeing that Kellinger was slightly ahead of Kohler given the MVP and overall better well-rounded statistical finishes (albeit maybe I am misremembering).

For me it's either just 1 HOF or probably Kellinger (I don't mind Holik as much as you but I understand the argument you and others have presented).  He was one of the top couple producers in the league multiple times and was top-10 for at least half his career.  He also was consistently one of the league's best faceoff men (not that I hold that against Kohler since he was a winger, but it's still a point in favour of Kellinger).

At the end of the day even if we feel they are on equal level, I take Kellinger over him for the MVP vs. MIP.

Great article @Otto Numminen

Was surprised to not see Walcott in S26 on here since you mentioned him.

145 points, 166 Hits, 160 SB

Honestly, I may go Hogan and Kellinger/Holik here.

I dont think any of the others are necessarily first ballot types and don't really stand out as more impressive than those two.

Killinger looks really unimpressive there.

Even Davis does...he had such a short peak but was just solid for most of his career.

Oferson doesn't look like a future HOF to me necessarily.

Vikingstad has a better case but hes tough to compare to guys like Kellinger from back in the day.

Wesley Kellinger

Points - 2nd, 2nd, 7th, 10th

Goals - 5th, 6th

Assists - 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 9th

Hits - 9th

Faceoff% - 3rd, 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 8th

GW - 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th

Jakab Holik

Wins - 1st, 1st, 3rd

GAA - 1st, 2nd, 3rd

Save% - 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd

SO - 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd

Hulk Hogan

Assists - 1st, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 7th

SB - 6th, 9th

DScoring - 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th

Roque Davis
Assists - 1st, 7th
Points - 6th
DScoring - 1st, 3rd, 5th, 5th

Erik Killinger

Assists - 6th, 10th
SB - 10th, 10th
DScoring - 3rd, 6th, 6th, 8th, 10th

Ola Vikingstad
Goals - 2nd, 7th
Points - 3rd, 7th
Hits - 7th
Faceoff% - 5th, 6th, 6th, 9th, 10th
GW - 1st, 5th

Kyle Oferson S71-78
Goals - 3rd, 4th, 8th
Points - 9th, 9th
GW - 6th

I turned into @Devisesomewhere along the way.

Welcome to the team @Lilmar!

Hoping we can get you a cup in your last season!

Good luck to @bukss_a who was a great member of our team and someone that will be a solid piece for Ottawa next year as well.

Welcome @adamcouser been a huge fan ever since forraying into hockey on YouTube!

I'd like to see Hogan get in after a few seasons of waiting.

I'll get a stats comparison done for these shortly.  Probably tonight.

Randomly selected snake style imo.

8 hours ago, GustavMattias said:

I actually am not a huge fan of the original Stockholm logo, but I know I'm very much in the minority on that one. I'm also not the world's biggest fan of the new concept, and I'm wondering if it might just be simpler to put the original one out there for...wait for it...o.p.t.i.c.s.

 

The logo is all I (and probably many others) even know about the team as it used to be. Every time it gets posted in Discord, for any reason, people freak out over how much they like it. I don't get it, but people will immediately start demanding to know why our new logo is anything but that if we go with it. 

 

While we're on the topic of old logos, Bratislava's lighthouse logo and Cologne's old logo are both absolute bangers as is imo. I'd vote to put both of those through right away if they aren't ripped from anywhere.

Colognes original logo is slightly dated imo but we kept the look rather similar.  Just basically a slightly updated version.

I still like the old logo so so so so much more but I'll keep an eye out for any lookalikes.  None that I know of tho.

Yeah this is tough.  I'll try and do some of my regular statistical finishes for a lot of these players just to help as well.  I'm off tomorrow so I'll try and get some done. 

35 minutes ago, Spade18 said:

OH MY GOD.

 

GUYS OH MY GODDDDDDD

 

I FINALLY FOUGHT.  THE WHOLE POINT OF MY GUYS IS TO FIGHT AND HE FINALLY AFTER 2 YEARS FOUGHT!

 

THIS IS HUUUUUGGGEE

 

Deagun Rust (MEX) for Fighting (Major) at 17:27, Deagun Rust (MEX) for instigated a fight (Game Misconduct) 

And you won the fight too!

Gives me Shawn vibes sometimes.  Though I think his moves are generally better.

3 hours ago, Greg Ernest said:

Their AGMs too ? so hows this all going down ? i wouldnt mind entering the front office game if someone could use me  

That would probably be at the discretion of the new GMs.  They will likely put out applications for it in this forum:

https://vhlforum.com/forum/186-job-interviews/

12 minutes ago, Greg Ernest said:

so what happens to the VHLM teams that these guys were GMing ? are the GM for both teams now ? 

 

We will be replaced by new GMs in the minors.