Spartan

ok sweet, my assistance doesn't seem to be needed. who do we think the new mafioso is? or if doom is new mafioso, who is last maf so I can jail and hold?

alright everyone, push up Doom

I'm really sorry that you feel like this man, please feel free to reach out on Discord itself, outside of the game. I know we get into the game, but it's supposed to be for fun and I'm sorry that it isn't fun for you. If there was anything that I did to contribute to it, I'm sorry for that as well. Thank you for sending in your night actions early, and hopefully you can get a win with us.

Yeah, I'd prefer to go for Doom tbh. At this point, every person has claimed and he's only been "confirming" folks. Vote Doom

Glad to have your trust back bud. I'm conflicted over this simply because of the conversation we had yesterday about amplifying and vilifying people who make mistakes. I'll defer this one to the town, I don't think I can make a decision on OD here. If we want to push someone else, I can jail and execute OD tonight. Considering there's only 1 killing role left, I don't really need the execute anyways.

please don't, you have a key role and I'd rather not lynch you

I'm alright with waiting one more night, seems genuine and I don't want to punish him for taking the time to be with his family. That's it though, and we need a revive tonight. Need TI results from @BarzalGoat, @Doomsday and @Z16. Then medium info about what hatty saw (if anything) from @Devise.

Yeah, Doom, go for osens, ferk, or Z16. Hatty, feel free to do what you please. I have someone in mind to jail, but I doubt that I'll be executing tonight since we don't have enough evidence. Editing in tags: @Doomsday @jhatty8

well, Flex was mafioso, and the Witch would want the mafia to win so that's....probably fake lol

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This was the original plan, having Z16 on Doom, Doom on Devise. Hatty, you're free to go where you please, if Z16 is taken out by mafia, then we have Devise as medium to provide the results of his information. Maybe go on Devise tonight then?

That is a perfectly valid thought, but considering that we have 3 evils and 1 town dead, clearly what we're doing is working for now. Once we whittle down mafia a bit, I can just keep jailing the last mafia member and not executing until TT is found. Even if town folks die, that's fine, we'll have more information to work with since you're medium.

Ok, and I'd sleep perfectly fine at night knowing that two out of three TS are confirmed. If OD revives Mike tonight, then we have problems with the extra TP and TI. It's just a process of trying to eliminate, we're never going to have a perfect game by only hitting mafia and TT.

ah yes, true

depending on how ferk tracks OMG, he could slide into the Any role though, so let's not jump to that conclusion quite yet

Not helping your case. If you're town, there is a much better way to handle this than off the hunch of a dude who died N2 and didn't submit an action, and that's to try to wait and provide information as we discussed. There is 1 town member dead, and he wasn't even a TI. "Hunches" and wild accusations aren't going to help anyone man

So....this is the real stupid play here, right? Like, it's unfortunate that Gus started up the game early, but he gave us warning on it. In addition, you said that Mike tapped out of the game. If that's the case, how has he been commenting on dumb town play if he hasn't been involved. If he really read all those pages of information yesterday, most of which began in the morning, and had these extravagant thoughts regarding how town has been playing, you would have a lot more than a handful of messages from him to share.

It's the overall strategy for ToS in general, regardless of skill or ELO (in ranked games). There are plenty of people here who have played ToS with me or with others, and they can all agree. I still can't believe that you're this adamant about ME being the TT. There has been absolutely no action that I've made so far that could pin me as the TT, especially having lynched the Witch who I would win with, and not reversing from Flex. A network of protection isn't in my hands, and I'm down to letting someone else do it. If anyone else wants to coordinate how the TP's and TI's act tonight, be my guest. It's not exclusive to me. Your pushback against someone who has helped the town this much in terms of organization is making you a prime suspect as TT or Maf.

The entire way we handled Nyko and his late claim, as well as OD's late retri claim should show that this is absolutely not the case. We give everyone plenty of chances to prove themselves, and we've been tagging people in detailed posts to ask for claims and to plan around people. Why would I have set up a network of protection and info if not to actually help the town???

Breaking this down a little, by paragraph: 1. Eagles is not the primary person I am listening to, and if you look back, I have told him that he needs to go along with what I say or risk getting executed. 2. Yes, I mentioned that "I could be town traitor" in a conversation about the TT game style. Here's the exchange Devise: "Who is this btw? Is that allowed? Spart: "well, it's Spartan lol. yeah, I've claimed so I have nothing to hide" Devise: "I figured since you claimed Jailor but just wanted to make sure. Spart: "I wish Gustav would just let me use my regular [Discord] account smh" Devise: "Eh, with traitor in the game, I suppose it's part of the act" Spart: "well, I could technically still be traitor. I'd still have all the powers of jailor" Devise: "true" Spart: "just focused on killing town, so not dependent on person really" 3. That is exactly the overall strategy, because people who are vocal and claim early are at a higher risk of getting exposed if they misclaim or get called out. People who are inactive and quiet are typically either a very important role, or an evil. The game where I almost won as mafia was when I didn't claim until the very last day with 3 people alive. That is just simply the way ToS goes, from my experience. 4. Each evil faction has to win on its own, except Witch and Mafia who work together. If Berocka comes up innocent, that's his own fault for not claiming anything at all. There is no counter claim to leverage since he has no claim.

That would actually open up the Any role to another town member, which could explain the extra TP, and TS

That's actually very true, I didn't think of it that way. In that case, @a_Ferk can you track omg tonight? Mafioso is dead, technically OMG should be the only one who can kill tonight.

Yeah, I think I'll be jailing one of the two tonight, we'll see. @jhatty8 feel free to not be on Z16 tonight. Go where you please, I'll let you use your judgement. If mafia go for Z, then at least a TI will get narrowed down.

for the fact he was attacked and healed by nyko, who was tracked by ferk. I trust hatty as well, but others just seem to be a little more proven? I'm leaning more towards Z16 and Doom being fake though. But since they're in the plan I set earlier, I don't want to be jailing any of them.

that was the brief flip when I needed a nap lol, instantly switched back to flex very shortly after