Dmoushey_31 106 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) As someone who just joined the league, I don't see why there are so many juniors teams. A couple teams have a good bounty of actives, while a couple only have 2-4 active players. There are a few immediate negatives right away: 1. Competition. There was a game in which my team was outshot 4 to 55. Seriously? Is that fun for either team? I know it wasn't for me... And as a new member, not very enticing. 2. Locker rooms. STZ is a great LR presence for Bern, but 3 people (that are getting blown out every game) can only carry a conversation so far. 3. Motivation. Honestly if I wasn't a part of other sim leagues and know how they work, I would've quit already. My suggestion is a reduction in teams from 8 to 6 and a redistribution draft. This will help by even out the playing field and creating more parity in the league (competition). This will also make for more active locker rooms. It may make for a longer off-season, but put every send down, every new member and anyone else that will playing in the VHLM this season and do a fantasy draft. It will refresh the Jr teams and bring the playing field back to even. You could eliminate Moscow (with the GM stepping down already) and 1 other team. This is just an honest suggestion from a recently joined member! Edited August 21, 2015 by Dmoushey_31 Caillean and Kendrick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,724 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I'm glad you shared your opinion. It's good to get a bunch from different levels and stages of members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUCK 151 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I agree, it seems like a power trade off from season to season. So only a certain amount of teams at one time will be any where close to competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator Baozi 1,635 Posted August 21, 2015 Head Moderator Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) As someone who just joined the league, I don't see why there are so many juniors teams. A couple teams have a good bounty of actives, while a couple only have 2-4 active players. There are a few immediate negatives right away: 1. Competition. There was a game in which my team was outshot 4 to 55. Seriously? Is that fun for either team? I know it wasn't for me... And as a new member, not very enticing. 2. Locker rooms. STZ is a great LR presence for Bern, but 3 people (that are getting blown out every game) can only carry a conversation so far. 3. Motivation. Honestly if I wasn't a part of other sim leagues and know how they work, I would've quit already. My suggestion is a reduction in teams from 8 to 6 and a redistribution draft. This will help by even out the playing field and creating more parity in the league (competition). This will also make for more active locker rooms. It may make for a longer off-season, but put every send down, every new member and anyone else that will playing in the VHLM this season and do a fantasy draft. It will refresh the Jr teams and bring the playing field back to even. You could eliminate Moscow (with the GM stepping down already) and 1 other team. This is just an honest suggestion from a recently joined member! 1. Blame your VHLM GM mentality here first of all. GMs at the VHLM level love to do all in or tank cycles for their teams. Brampton and a few other teams are one of few teams that are competitive year in and year out in an attempt to break this cycle while other teams will put everything into one year then tank the next few years and sell off everything possible. The more you bring attention to this the more attention others will put to try and rectify this so thank you for pointing this out. 2. You think that is bad? There was one season where it was me and Maxime Perron (Jumper Pegasus) and literally it was only me talking to him or me talking to myself lol. 3. Here is where your suggestions become really useful for how we approach new member retention, don't be afraid to speak out on what you think would help things. Wild Thought: Re-organize the VHLM into a Frozen four type tourney. Everyone makes playoffs, Draft picks can't be traded so teams are always at max capacity of players whenever possible. Allow only players to be traded (trade position of strength for position of weakness type trading). Edited August 21, 2015 by tfong Da Trifecta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 im loving the no trade draft picks type thing. isn't that what the MLB does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator Baozi 1,635 Posted August 21, 2015 Head Moderator Share Posted August 21, 2015 im loving the no trade draft picks type thing. isn't that what the MLB does? Wouldn't know, I only pay attention to real sports. DollarAndADream 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wouldn't know, I only pay attention to real sports. the fact it can pay a player 25 million a year makes it seem pretty real to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,724 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 The trading draft picks thing will come into effect I'm pretty sure already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,617 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Good points big D, can I calll you that? I actually made a thread in the BOG, where new ideas are discussed and debated, about contacting the VHLM league to 6 teams, but it was mostly shot down. Good to see a new member agrees with some of what I had posted in the BOG. Caillean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixersfan594 247 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I already stated this last year. Good to know ppl r on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid1486 577 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 the fact it can pay a player 25 million a year makes it seem pretty real to me its easy when you play 162 games a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,255 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wouldn't know, I only pay attention to real sports. fuk u dude Da Trifecta and TheLastOlympian07 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,896 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Baseball is as real as it gets scoop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STZ 5,286 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 1. Blame your VHLM GM mentality here first of all. GMs at the VHLM level love to do all in or tank cycles for their teams. Brampton and a few other teams are one of few teams that are competitive year in and year out in an attempt to break this cycle while other teams will put everything into one year then tank the next few years and sell off everything possible. The more you bring attention to this the more attention others will put to try and rectify this so thank you for pointing this out. Right. Blame his GM, the team he inherited had no draft picks.. Yup he really should have done more the be competitive lol. Pay attention. Ahma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,255 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Right. Blame his GM, the team he inherited had no draft picks.. Yup he really should have done more the be competitive lol. Pay attention. Make a waiver claim on every single player as soon as they join. If he didn't do that, he's doing a bad job. JardyB10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Its only the beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,896 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Right. Blame his GM, the team he inherited had no draft picks.. Yup he really should have done more the be competitive lol. Pay attention. Reminds me of the first time I was given a team. The Minot Gladiators from 701. That team had no picks and was boring that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator frescoelmo 1,218 Posted August 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 21, 2015 Let's keep banter in The Thunderdome Good points though, D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,617 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Let's keep banter in The Thunderdome Good points though, D. Ahem, it's BIG D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmoushey_31 106 Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) lol again, just an observation from a newcomer. STZ had little to nothing to work with and made it apparent and gave me a fair warning. He also offered to trade anyone to a playoff bound team if they requested. I just dont see how a game of 55 shots to 5 is good for junior players. (tfong) It's nice you stuck it out with 2 people in a LR, but I dont know that most people would. I dont know exactly what it would take to fix it (dispersal draft, downsize to 6 teams, locked/untradeable draft picks, all of the above) but just some ideas! PS Big D is cool with me! Edited August 21, 2015 by Dmoushey_31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STZ 5,286 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Make a waiver claim on every single player as soon as they join. If he didn't do that, he's doing a bad job. Go look at the waiver thread.. I put a claim in on everyone available. After trade deadline I personally spoke with every player that created a player before claiming so they would know the situation they would be signing up for. I don't want to claim someone unless they are okay trading off playoffs for developmental help. BOOM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,550 Posted August 21, 2015 Admin Share Posted August 21, 2015 You can be certain this topic has been recycled over and over again in the BOG - the key is to not just contract the VHLM and hope for the best but get a coherent plan. Fire Tortorella and STZ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator frescoelmo 1,218 Posted August 21, 2015 Moderator Share Posted August 21, 2015 Ahem, it's BIG D. Is that how you like them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator Baozi 1,635 Posted August 21, 2015 Head Moderator Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Go look at the waiver thread.. I put a claim in on everyone available. After trade deadline I personally spoke with every player that created a player before claiming so they would know the situation they would be signing up for. I don't want to claim someone unless they are okay trading off playoffs for developmental help. Heh sorry I wasn't targeting you specifically, I was actually applying a broad stroke to most VHLM GMs in general. But the mentality is there in the VHLM for sure. I mean Brampton started the season with Perron and probably equal amount of players as Bern. I ended up claiming enough waiver players throughout the entire season to fill a roster and then some. There is no motivation for many GMs to avoid the tank because its how they will get "better picks". Like seriously I was the last waiver claim, but yet I managed to claim 10 players and traded for a few other bodies. We weren't contenders obviously, but nobody in the LR was ready to give up and kept at it anyways. VHLM GMs need to go away from the win or bust mentality and go for a good middle ground that is best for prospect development. Thats why I'm onboard with no draft pick trades and having all player trades 1v1. Then you would never have empty rosters. Sure you will still lose or whatever but then everyone is always in the race. Edited August 21, 2015 by tfong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop 3,255 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Go look at the waiver thread.. I put a claim in on everyone available. After trade deadline I personally spoke with every player that created a player before claiming so they would know the situation they would be signing up for. I don't want to claim someone unless they are okay trading off playoffs for developmental help. Claim them all. Trade them for 3rd/4th round picks. Draft on-the-fence players. Try to keep them around, Edited August 22, 2015 by Streetlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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