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His speech was actually OK. I know it doesn't mean shit, but listening to him NOT insult someone was refreshing. We are pretty heavily invested via trade, investment and defense links, so this is a pretty significant event down here as well.

[Devise 4,475]

6 minutes ago, boom said:

His speech was actually OK. I know it doesn't mean shit, but listening to him NOT insult someone was refreshing. We are pretty heavily invested via trade, investment and defense links, so this is a pretty significant event down here as well.

 

 

 

Not trying to insult, but America is currently the trading standard, what they do has an effect on the entire global economy. There is a reason this news blew up, because it is a global event. I guess all I mean to say is all of us who live in First World countries are pivotal traders and investors with the US. Unless someone happens to be in China (whom the US continues to borrow from at an extreme rate) or one of those great European countries like Finland etc who are super self sufficient due to extremely high corporate/natural resource taxes, among other things. Those people have the life. Free post secondary, free health care, governments sitting on billions of extra dollars. One of those countries even instituted Universal Basic Income or was in the process of it. Might of been Finland. Anyway those countries still trade with the US, but they aren't as reliant on it due to the bubbles of their own economies. 

Edited November 9, 2016 by Mr. Power

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Our two biggest trading partners are the US and China and being geographically so close to Asia is troubling if China and the US get feisty. We have US military installations and marines based in our North, so I hope Donald and Mr #1 Communist can play nice.

[Victor 10,953]

Jesus Christ America you actually did it hahahahahahahaha.

 

Having witnessed Brexit (make that witnessing Brexit), I'm just here with the popcorn.

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On a related item, we had $34 billion wiped off our market today. That's around 4%. I'm interested to see comparative values as global markets open and close around the globe.

[Higgins 3,618]

That's what happens when you nominate one of the most corrupt and deceiving politicians in the game Hillary Clinton to go against the anti-establishment Donald Trump.

 

Hillary Clinton was never fit to be president of the USA, and Americans saw it, good for them.

 

Time to Make America Great Again

[Victor 10,953]

Bernie Sanders.

 

You had a good thing America and you let it go.

[Higgins 3,618]

8 minutes ago, Victor said:

Bernie Sanders.

 

You had a good thing America and you let it go.

 

Yup, they nominated who the party insiders wanted (Clinton) and not who the public wanted (Sanders).

 

In other news this fucked up campaign is finally over, thank god.

[Jericho 917]

6 hours ago, Victor said:

Jesus Christ America you actually did it hahahahahahahaha.

 

Having witnessed Brexit (make that witnessing Brexit), I'm just here with the popcorn.

 

Yeah America really saved Britain from the dumbest political move of 2016. Nobody is going to be talking about the Brexit in 5 years when Emporer Putin is celebrating his takeover of the United States of New Russia.

[Victor 10,953]

Leicester City

Cubs

Cleveland

Brexit

Trump

Bowie

Harambe

 

What a year.

[Beketov 9,033]

 

Neither option was perfect, both had their innate flaws. However I'll take someone experienced who may not be the most trustworthy over a racist sociopath with no understanding of how government works.

 

As a Canadian all I can hope is that this doesn't affect us as much as I think it will. Unfortunately we're now allied with this idiot so we'll see how things go when he inevitably starts a war.

[hedgehog337 3,483]

 

I'll just leave this here...

[Kendrick 4,741]

2 hours ago, Beketov said:

 

Neither option was perfect, both had their innate flaws. However I'll take someone experienced who may not be the most trustworthy over a racist sociopath with no understanding of how government works.

 

As a Canadian all I can hope is that this doesn't affect us as much as I think it will. Unfortunately we're now allied with this idiot so we'll see how things go when he inevitably starts a war.

Just for the record their government is a lot different. Trump is more of a figurehead and less like Trudeau in the fact that in order for Trump to change anything it goes through hundreds of eyes first.

[evrydayimbyfuglien 600]

33 minutes ago, Kendrick said:

Just for the record their government is a lot different. Trump is more of a figurehead and less like Trudeau in the fact that in order for Trump to change anything it goes through hundreds of eyes first.

Yeah, it's not like he says to build a wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it and it gets done. Chances are he won't be able to get much done in his first term anyway because he's bound to try things the actual republican party doesn't want. 

[Beketov 9,033]

47 minutes ago, Kendrick said:

Just for the record their government is a lot different. Trump is more of a figurehead and less like Trudeau in the fact that in order for Trump to change anything it goes through hundreds of eyes first.

I'm aware, everything has to pass through the House and the Senate as well. The problem is that those also went Republican which means he will have far less of a struggle to do things than, for example, Obama did. Yeah, there are bound to be things that they don't like and won't get done but that doesn't mean he can do no damage. Basically all the good Obama has done over the past 8 years (Obamacare, Marriage Equality, Women's rights, International relations, etc) I imagine will be wiped out within his first two years. Some of them directly by his hand, some by the senate, and some by Supreme Court appointments.

 

Mark my words, America will take 12 years to effectively travel backwards from where Obama started; at least in relation to social systems within the county. Meanwhile Trump's ultra-rich buddies will enjoy huge tax breaks while the working class that put him in power will see no improvement in their quality of life.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Beketov

[Kendrick 4,741]

21 minutes ago, Beketov said:

I'm aware, everything has to pass through the House and the Senate as well. The problem is that those also went Republican which means he will have far less of a struggle to do things than, for example, Obama did. Yeah, there are bound to be things that they don't like and won't get done but that doesn't mean he can do no damage. Basically all the good Obama has done over the past 8 years (Obamacare, Marriage Equality, Women's rights, International relations, etc) I imagine will be wiped out within his first two years. Some of them directly by his hand, some by the senate, and some by Supreme Court appointments.

 

Mark my words, America will take 12 years to effectively travel backwards from where Obama started; at least in relation to social systems within the county. Meanwhile Trump's ultra-rich buddies will enjoy huge tax breaks while the working class that put him in power will see no improvement in their quality of life.

Not exactly. I know most went Republican but they don't all endorse him as a President despite their ties to the Republican party. Keep in mind a lot of his ideas and thoughts are actually opposite of what traditional Republicans are based on.

 

I do agree in regards to the working class comment and his buddies. However, Hilary would have been worse for that considering her own foundation takes from the working class to feed her own family instead of helping what the foundation says it does. I read a stat saying something like Bill Clinton makes 500k each speech he gives when he goes to a University or a community event, the money paid to him goes directly to the Clinton Foundation which doesn't actually go towards helping anyone lower then his own immediate family. I should also mention the salary for Presidency is something like 440k a year. Hilary would have sold the country off to foreigns countries faster than Trump will look to do.

[Jericho 917]

[Fire Tortorella 2,653]

Couple thoughts:

 

• I think a lot of non-US members are underestimating just how bad it is in the rust belt/mid-west. It's not so much that the "uneducated" (although, yes, they are, but that's not the entire point) voted for Trump, it's that those who are disenfranchised. Those factory workers who saw their parents and grandparents grow up comfortably in a factory job want that to come back. Obviously it never will for a variety of reasons, but this needs to be a wake up call to both parties that rural America cannot continue to be ignored. There is no easy solution to bringing back economic prosperity to these regions, and it certainly won't happen anytime soon.
• Coming from a Bernie voter in the primaries, Bernie was never going to win the democratic nomination or the general election. Assuming the primary was fair and square (debatable, I know, but not the point right now) Bernie did not resonate enough with minorities or the older generations. Again, I'm not talking about what should or would have happened, as we all know what his track record is regarding civil rights, but he made a piss poor attempt at getting his message out, or any other message than income inequality, stop the big banks, etc... The general election would have been over as soon as Trump asked if he was a socialist and Bernie said yes, he was (democratic socialist, not exactly the same, I know). Half the country (Republicans) hears that and he gets no votes from them whatsoever, and there's a large enough contingent of democrats who won't vote for him either.
• The biggest impact of this election will be the Supreme Court justices put forward by Trump. The Republicans "correctly" played their hand in holding off Garland's nomination so the next president could put forward their own. I really fear for Roe v. Wade in the next four years, and certainly hope no other justices pass away.
• Regarding Republicans not moving forward with Trumps ideas - no way that happens now. Republicans historically hold the line and put party first much better than Democrats. 

[Devise 4,475]

21 minutes ago, flyersfan1493 said:

Couple thoughts:

 

• I think a lot of non-US members are underestimating just how bad it is in the rust belt/mid-west. It's not so much that the "uneducated" (although, yes, they are, but that's not the entire point) voted for Trump, it's that those who are disenfranchised. Those factory workers who saw their parents and grandparents grow up comfortably in a factory job want that to come back. Obviously it never will for a variety of reasons, but this needs to be a wake up call to both parties that rural America cannot continue to be ignored. There is no easy solution to bringing back economic prosperity to these regions, and it certainly won't happen anytime soon.
• Coming from a Bernie voter in the primaries, Bernie was never going to win the democratic nomination or the general election. Assuming the primary was fair and square (debatable, I know, but not the point right now) Bernie did not resonate enough with minorities or the older generations. Again, I'm not talking about what should or would have happened, as we all know what his track record is regarding civil rights, but he made a piss poor attempt at getting his message out, or any other message than income inequality, stop the big banks, etc... The general election would have been over as soon as Trump asked if he was a socialist and Bernie said yes, he was (democratic socialist, not exactly the same, I know). Half the country (Republicans) hears that and he gets no votes from them whatsoever, and there's a large enough contingent of democrats who won't vote for him either.
• The biggest impact of this election will be the Supreme Court justices put forward by Trump. The Republicans "correctly" played their hand in holding off Garland's nomination so the next president could put forward their own. I really fear for Roe v. Wade in the next four years, and certainly hope no other justices pass away.
• Regarding Republicans not moving forward with Trumps ideas - no way that happens now. Republicans historically hold the line and put party first much better than Democrats. 

 

A room full of educated republicans are not going to agree to put a wall in front of Mexico and somehow force them to pay for it....

 

There are realities to some of Trumps promises that make zero sense because they aren't logical in any sense of the word. I forsee the party doing Trump one "crazy" favor, one of his more wilder promises and the rest of it will be the party line that they created from the get go, and if people ask Trump about in public he'll dance just like he always does. Which is the whole reason they are happy with him as the front man. He can dance through questions and look like an idiot perfectly. 

[Fire Tortorella 2,653]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Power said:

 

A room full of educated republicans are not going to agree to put a wall in front of Mexico and somehow force them to pay for it....

 

There are realities to some of Trumps promises that make zero sense because they aren't logical in any sense of the word. I forsee the party doing Trump one "crazy" favor, one of his more wilder promises and the rest of it will be the party line that they created from the get go, and if people ask Trump about in public he'll dance just like he always does. Which is the whole reason they are happy with him as the front man. He can dance through questions and look like an idiot perfectly. 

 

Yes, you're right. I wrote that last line a couple of times and should have said "Trump's crazy/extreme ideas." 

[Kendrick 4,741]

Pence scares the shit out of me.

 

[Jericho 917]

1 hour ago, Kendrick said:

Pence scares the shit out of me.

 

 

Apparently he's never heard of separation of church and state.

[Kendrick 4,741]

11 minutes ago, Jericho said:

 

Apparently he's never heard of separation of church and state.

Exactly! I just read his bio as well and he scares me even more. Described as the "quiet frat boy who sits in the corner and listens to everything and then blows things up".

[Will 4,660]

That's the one reason why I was sort of  hoping for Trump to be the candidate way back in the primaries when it was down to him and Cruz. Of course I assumed he would lose at that point anyways but lyin Ted is a religious whackjob either way. I don't know a lot about Pence but I read about his anti-abortion crusade when he was Governor. 

 

Anyway I have to agree with flyers in that the real causality for your everyday person could be the supreme cour, especially if he gets to appoint more than one judge. It would be a shame, especially for younger people, to see a court that would block every progressive social issue for the next decade.. and it's amazing that they actually got away with citing a lame-duck presidency for over a year to avoid voting on a judge. 

 

I'm pleased to live somewhere without religion in politics, and also somewhere with non-partisan judges.. two-thirds of the current Canadian Supreme Court were appointed by Harper and he still fought with them for years  

[Kesler 1,514]

Its gonna be cool to live through an assassination of a president.