eaglesfan036 4,598 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 To Calgary: Shayne Gow @flyersfan1493 To Quebec: S53 CGY 2nd @JardyB10 please process this at game 41 so that we get jimothy for 0.85. @Frank solas 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Only a second?????? Weeeeeeeeeeak Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregreg 930 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 You knew something was up when @flyersfan1493 signed it Quebec Banackock and eaglesfan036 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,938 Posted December 1, 2016 Admin Share Posted December 1, 2016 ayyyyyy lmao Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,022 Posted December 1, 2016 Commissioner Share Posted December 1, 2016 Well there's a way to skirt the cap, get the player you want to sign somewhere else and then trade basically nothing for them. FacePuncher and Banackock 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Beketov said: Well there's a way to skirt the cap, get the player you want to sign somewhere else and then trade basically nothing for them. This isn't exactly new... eaglesfan036 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted December 1, 2016 Senior Admin Share Posted December 1, 2016 I approve. eaglesfan036 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,022 Posted December 1, 2016 Commissioner Share Posted December 1, 2016 34 minutes ago, flyersfan1493 said: This isn't exactly new... Never said it was new, doesn't mean I have to like it. Seems like the kind of thing that should involve a loophole getting closed. Something along the lines of "Players signed via FA during the off-season are not eligible to have part of their contract covered via trade." Of course the commishes gain from it so it's not likely. NotAVHLM-GM 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, Beketov said: Never said it was new, doesn't mean I have to like it. Seems like the kind of thing that should involve a loophole getting closed. Something along the lines of "Players signed via FA during the off-season are not eligible to have part of their contract covered via trade." Of course the commishes gain from it so it's not likely. Would your opinion change if this trade happened at the deadline instead of game 40? How is this different than me theoretically signing with Quebec for two years, and then getting traded in the second year rather than the first? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,598 Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Beketov said: Never said it was new, doesn't mean I have to like it. Seems like the kind of thing that should involve a loophole getting closed. Something along the lines of "Players signed via FA during the off-season are not eligible to have part of their contract covered via trade." Of course the commishes gain from it so it's not likely. This has been happening for as long as i can remember, why are you suddenly so upset by this? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JardyB10 4,865 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Beketov said: Never said it was new, doesn't mean I have to like it. Seems like the kind of thing that should involve a loophole getting closed. Something along the lines of "Players signed via FA during the off-season are not eligible to have part of their contract covered via trade." Of course the commishes gain from it so it's not likely. Meh, I don't know if that's entirely fair either though. Riga for example was a risky place to sign/re-sign for the somehow four or so people who did, it's nice to offer a bit of a safety net to those players if needed. And a 2nd isn't exactly nothing, especially with these Player 2 drafts. And if Frank really wanted he could handcuff both Gows for more or whatever. And signing and trading with a standing team isn't uncommon or frowned upon, and this fundamentally isn't much different. The only thing that's kind of shady about this deal I suppose is that Calgary got a young Labatte finalist for a 2nd rounder. But again, that's more Frank's problem than anything (although I understand he could have been underbid by someone else if that sort of off-season dealing was going on) Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,022 Posted December 1, 2016 Commissioner Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, eaglesfan036 said: This has been happening for as long as i can remember, why are you suddenly so upset by this? Maybe it's because I'm on the team he chose to leave, maybe it's because you got a top player for very little. I can admit I'm probably bias on this one but it's still annoying. Having something like this pre-arranged just kinda kills the integrity of Free Agency. No other team standing a chance is one thing but this also adds in the fact that you guys don't even have to pay full price for him. Edited December 1, 2016 by Beketov JardyB10 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Wait, so this was prearranged??? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,022 Posted December 1, 2016 Commissioner Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 minute ago, ADwyer87 said: Wait, so this was prearranged??? I'll admit I'm guessing on that one but I don't see a lot of reasons for Gow to have signed with Quebec unless something like this was pre-planned. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, Beketov said: Maybe it's because I'm on the team he chose to leave, maybe it's because you got a top player for very little. I can admit I'm probably bias on this one but it's still annoying. Having something like this pre-arranged just kinda kills the integrity of Free Agency. No other team standing a chance is one thing but this also adds in the fact that you guys don't even have to pay full price for him. I understand the bolded and why it was annoying for Seattle specifically, but everyone who asked me (all legally) knew I was testing free agency this off-season. Read that as you will. 4 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said: Wait, so this was prearranged??? From free agency? Yeah. Why else would I sign in Quebec? (sorry @Frank and @YEAH!stlemania and whoever else I'm missing) Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregreg 930 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Calgary still sucks! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 minute ago, gregreg said: Calgary still sucks! Your FA pitch was my favorite... gregreg 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 16 minutes ago, flyersfan1493 said: From free agency? Yeah. Why else would I sign in Quebec? (sorry @Frank and @YEAH!stlemania and whoever else I'm missing) That's sketchy af. Surprised that's not considered collusion. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I should add that us Calgary players knew there was a chance at getting him but that a deal with Quebec wasn't what we were told of or even expected. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, ADwyer87 said: That's sketchy af. Surprised that's not considered collusion. Collusion? What rule is being broken? Would this trade have been more "acceptable" if it happened a season earlier and I was traded directly from Helsinki? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-392997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagger 2,722 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Didn't Seattle give up a S53 2nd themselves to get Gow in the first place? Think that in itself nullifies the argument of Calgary giving up "very little" to circumvent cap problems if that's the price they paid themselves to get him. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-393039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,745 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Stinky business. You have incurred my wrath! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-393061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacePuncher 1,343 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 hour ago, flyersfan1493 said: Collusion? What rule is being broken? Would this trade have been more "acceptable" if it happened a season earlier and I was traded directly from Helsinki? Absolutely, Seattle didn't say "hey we don't have the salary for you so sign with this rebuilding team and we'll trade for you later in exchange for scraps so that we can circumvent the cap system."(unless Banackock is hiding something from me). It's not breaking a rule, yes, but the definition of collusion as per Websters online dictionary is "secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose". This is certainly a secret agreement and it sure seems deceitful, to me at least, to have a player sign somewhere else for the express purpose getting around a rule, especially if the league didn't know about it beforehand, which I admittedly do not know if it was the case. I think a rule should absolutely be put in place to stop this. If it was an organic trade then no worries but as you said yourself this was the plan from day 1. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-393072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 classic calgary Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-393078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins 3,618 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 hours ago, flyersfan1493 said: Your FA pitch was my favorite... the 5$ footlong? stevo 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/35752-cgyque-s52/#findComment-393088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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