Israel - Palestinian 2021

[Baozi 1,658]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/israel-us-gaza-gantz-un-b1849101.html

 

Bloodthirsty.

 

Civilian casualties right now are Palestinian's in the hundreds (200?) and 10 (ish) in Israel.

Edited May 18, 2021 by tfong

[v.2 1,406]

This whole thing is a fucking mess, I feel for all of the civilians on both sides.

[Mrpenguin30 138]

27 minutes ago, v.2 said:

This whole thing is a fucking mess, I feel for all of the civilians on both sides.

Israeli citizens are defending the actions and calling for the purge of all "Muslims" and "Arab" people as they are "lesser" people and the enemy. Feels like I heard another group saying something similar early in the 1900's but it just escapes me now and I am sure nothing happened that led to the mass death of Jewish people or a holocaust of sorts because of the rhetoric. But the Nazis did not have nuclear weapons and pissed off the UK and USA so they were not allowed to continue holocausting.

[BOOM 8,745]

[Beketov 9,025]

5 hours ago, Mrpenguin30 said:

Israeli citizens are defending the actions and calling for the purge of all "Muslims" and "Arab" people as they are "lesser" people and the enemy. Feels like I heard another group saying something similar early in the 1900's but it just escapes me now and I am sure nothing happened that led to the mass death of Jewish people or a holocaust of sorts because of the rhetoric. But the Nazis did not have nuclear weapons and pissed off the UK and USA so they were not allowed to continue holocausting.

This is definitely a gross over-simplification for the sake of trying to make it more of a black and white situation than it is.

 

I’m not saying either side is completely in the right, they have both committed atrocities, but it’s not as simple as “Israel = Bad”

[Mrpenguin30 138]

57 minutes ago, Beketov said:

This is definitely a gross over-simplification for the sake of trying to make it more of a black and white situation than it is.

 

I’m not saying either side is completely in the right, they have both committed atrocities, but it’s not as simple as “Israel = Bad”

No you're right concentration camps for 20 years is cool along with no running water, an apartheid state, IDF posting videos of them shooting women and children, bombing apartments of journalists, dozens of videos of Israeli citizens calling for the genocide of Arabs as they are the enemy, having nuclear weapons, breaking every international human rights law, having far right youth groups that were deemed to be terrorist organizations till the most recent PM was elected, saying that the said children were Hamas, saying that Hamas is the most dangerous terrorist organization in the world when they can intercept ever ballistics missile shot towards them ten times over, the PM is a know holocaust denier. But no it is super complicated but I guess we can say that about the Holocaust by your stance. Also hilarious that palestine "committed atrocities when they do not have fucking running water.

Edited May 18, 2021 by Mrpenguin30

[Mrpenguin30 138]

Anyway have fun defending genocide it is a super cool look.

[Mrpenguin30 138]

6 hours ago, tfong said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/israel-us-gaza-gantz-un-b1849101.html

 

Bloodthirsty.

 

Civilian casualties right now are Palestinian's in the hundreds (200?) and 10 (ish) in Israel.

nononono but Palestine is bad because they let themselves be genocided. Just like how both slaves and slave-owners committed atrocities.

[mediocrepony 1,216]

 wow i dont think you could've picked a more polarizing topic 

[bigAL 2,176]

It’s been 75 years since the Holocaust, we’re allowed to say fuck Israel without them playing the anti Semitic card now right? Because fuck Israel. 
 

Looking at the whole history of the nation state of Israel, this makes sense. The Zionist movement had been trying to get the west to give them a Jewish nation since the late 1800s, the west was looking to protect their access to the black gold from the people who didn’t look like them. The Holocaust gave them all a reason to move forward with the creation of Israel in one of the weirdest forms of colonization. Usually a western power comes in and just straight up takes the land you’re on and calls it mine. This time, the UN goes into the land a bunch of middle eastern countries are on, takes it away from them, and gives it to their spoiled and entitled little brother. This new kid nation is a) stewing on 3000 years of lived experience that says “everyone in the world is out to get us all the time”, b) armed to the gills with leftover weapons from the war, and c) very mad that the muslims took over Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy Sites. The Israeli are thankful for the gift from the west but are also salty that it’s not big enough and start to take matters into their own hands. Asking for forgiveness instead of permission (or sometimes not even that), they take by force big chunks of land from literally all their neighbours. The more militaristic neighbours like Egypt and Jordan fight back with varied levels of success, but places like Palestine get backed into a corner. 
 

Looking through the colonial lens of the 20th C, Palestine is a nobody. They were a colony of the Ottoman Empire (rip) and became an orphan travelling from foster home to foster home after WWI. They tried and tried to get their own nation state, first from the League of Nations, then through rebellions, then through the United Nations, but no dice. The British took over the former Ottoman colonies and granted Jordan its independence in the 1920s, but not Palestine.
 

The Brits and the UN made a plan to create BOTH a Palestinian Arab state and an Israeli Jewish state in 1948. On literally the last day of Western control - the next day would create Palestine and Israel - Israel was like “lmao no it’s actually all ours now” and declared independence and control of the whole area the next day. The west was essentially just over the whole thing and went “sure whatever”. Having a Middle Eastern ally, a country so grateful and happy about the western assistance in making this happen, was very advantageous as oil continued to become the most important resource in the world.  The Arab neighbours (Egypt, Syria, Jordan) were PISSED and immediately started a war with Israel. The Arab countries snagged a bunch of territory like the Sinai and the West Bank, and Israel spent the rest of their existence fighting wars to try to get all that territory back, and more. 
 

Israel has since then acted like a North Korea, except with a big brother who watches out for them. They are a paranoid, aggressive, nation whose identity is essentially “not Arab”. They collective and existentially believe (not  always incorrectly, based on both 3000 years of existence and 70 years of constant war) that the rest of their Middlen Eastern world hates them and wants to destroy them in the same way Hitler did. When your mindset is that “we just got genocided and we are never ever going to let that happen again”, the collective psyche of the country becomes paranoid and aggressive towards everyone. They *needed* to fight Egypt and Jordan because they needed a buffer to keep them safe from the inevitable invasions. They *needed* to relocate and concentrate Palestinians onto the West Bank. They *needed* arms deal after arms deal from the States, lest their enemies become more militarily advanced than them. Developing, advancing, and using the military has been one of the primary goals of Israel literally forever. 
 

It’s easy to fight Egypt and Jordan because they also have militaries. Palestine does not and never did have a formal military. Israel knew better than anyone that beating up on a poor defenceless peoples wasn’t kosher in the modern age anymore. When Israel trumped the Palestinian independence, and when their world turned into a war zone, the Palestinians ran. They became refugees in all the neighbouring Arab states. As soon as they left, Israel was like “you left willingly, so no coming back” and passed laws that gave all the Palestinian land that was given up to Jewish peoples from around the world eager to come “home” to Israel. The people that stayed eventually had the same things happen to them over the decades, their homes turning into war zones and being forced to relocate to refugee camps. Israel was kind enough to set up a colony of refugee camps on the West Bank and Gaza for Palestine, and continued to appropriate their lands outside of the camps. 
 

Israel, like most of the world, wasn’t really a fan of taking care of their refugees. As the rest of the world developed, Palestine didn’t. They became a third world country within a first world country. Israel made the conditions purposefully bad to try to force Palestinians out, so they can take the land they “gave up”. For years (and still) access in and out of Palestine is controlled by the Israeli military. It’s literally a jail - people are trapped there unless their arch enemies allow them to leave, in which case they would probably never be allowed back. Clean water was scarce, and good food and medical supplies were tightly restricted. Palestinian rebels built tunnels to smuggle in supplies, and Israeli forces would destroy them (sometimes with people in them!) whenever they were discovered. 
 

Understandably, Palestinians are pissed. They’ve had enough for the last 20 years. But, they have no real way to do anything about it. Due to their paranoid nature, the Israeli military is the second most powerful in the world (the first is their big bro USA who supports them and let’s them do their thing). When Palestinians fight back, they literally and metaphorically throw rocks and rockets at Israel. Israel laughs because they have a missile defence bubble that makes them never get hurt. But, when Palestine “starts it” by throwing a rock, that “gives permission” to Israel to come back swinging hundreds of times stronger than the initial attack. They are a grown ass man beating up on a child who kicked them in the shin. Trevor Noah did a great explanation of this last week (on mobile, someone Google) about the power dynamic between the two countries and how his mother taught him not to murder his toddler brother even if the kid punched him in the nuts. 
 

And then, of course, religion ramps everything up to 11. In today’s shit, Israel cut off Palestinians from one of their most holy sites at the end of one of the most holy months. Understandably, they were pissed and protested. Of course, that protest of throwing rocks and shit warranted a reminder of who’s boss and led to the current rocket barrage from Israel. Israel pokes Palestine, Palestine tells them to fuck off, Israel punches them in the face and says they started it - all with the goal of moving them out of the West Bank and Gaza one way or another so those lands can be reincorporated into the Israeli state. 
 

Its fucked. I work hard to understand all perspectives, and I get the Israeli insecurity and need to arm themselves to the gills. The best defence is a good offence and all that jazz. But the Israeli have been violating the human rights of Palestinians since the 1940s. America, with the second largest Jewish population in the world, is okay with this because of a) a powerful Jewish lobby, and b) the protection of American resource extraction in the area. Things that make us money >>> things that don’t make us money. When the global super power does nothing about the problem, the rest of the world just shrugs and agrees that it must not be a problem. I get the “no anti American sentiments” but time and time again American presidents, Republicans and Democrats, have gone out of their way to implement a foreign policy that allows and emboldens Israel to do exactly this all of the time. It’s only news now because the “war” (is it a war when only one side is armed?) has heated up more than usual. It’s important to know this never really cooled off, Palestinian protests and Israeli retaliatory bombings are just a fact of life there. It’s a horrible, awful way to live in our so-called developed world. 
 

This shouldn’t be a political issue. No one should be able to argue for the bombing of civilians and children. But, when society is as fractured as we are, every opinion about anything deserves equal airtime for its counter opinion. 
 

Humans suck and my heart breaks for the Palestinians. They just want to govern themselves for the first time ever, like literally every other former colony in the world has been allowed to. They just want to celebrate Eid at a Muslim holy site in their neighbourhood. They just want clean water and to not die from preventable diseases. They just want to go to school. But Israel be like *bugs bunny no gif*. 

[mediocrepony 1,216]

hloy shit i had no idea @bigAL

i was kinda ehhh, neither side is in the right, but now

 

Fuck israel

about half my homies hate israel

[Enorama 2,038]

3 hours ago, Beketov said:

This is definitely a gross over-simplification for the sake of trying to make it more of a black and white situation than it is.

 

I’m not saying either side is completely in the right, they have both committed atrocities, but it’s not as simple as “Israel = Bad”

 

"Both sides"ing this is also an oversimplification though. One side severely and hopelessly outguns the other. It isn't so simple as being purely one-sided, but it certainly isn't a fair fight. 

 

https://youtu.be/PkQ4HZAepYc

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by Enorama

[der meister 3,188]

This is obviously a huge, multifaceted topic. From a relative outsider perspective, I detest the Israeli government, much like I do the Chinese, though for very different reasons. One thing that never fails to infuriate me is the United States blanket protection of Israel without ever calling them out. We're the Big Stick that Israel carries, and I hate it.

[Beketov 9,025]

1 minute ago, Enorama said:

 

"Both sides"ing this is also an oversimplification though. One side severely and hopelessly outguns the other. It isn't so simple as being purely one-sided, but it certainly isn't a fair fight. 

 

https://youtu.be/PkQ4HZAepYc

 

100%, I wasn’t trying to imply that it was. Like @bigAL said there’s definitely a bit of “he threw a rock, I threw a rocket” going on but having a bigger gun doesn’t automatically make you 100% in the wrong. It certainly doesn’t make you 100% right but that’s where my point was: it’s a complex issue that can’t be boiled down to simply one side is evil and one side isn’t.

[ke1vi 662]

28 minutes ago, bigAL said:

It’s been 75 years since the Holocaust, we’re allowed to say fuck Israel without them playing the anti Semitic card now right? Because fuck Israel. 
 

Looking at the whole history of the nation state of Israel, this makes sense. The Zionist movement had been trying to get the west to give them a Jewish nation since the late 1800s, the west was looking to protect their access to the black gold from the people who didn’t look like them. The Holocaust gave them all a reason to move forward with the creation of Israel in one of the weirdest forms of colonization. Usually a western power comes in and just straight up takes the land you’re on and calls it mine. This time, the UN goes into the land a bunch of middle eastern countries are on, takes it away from them, and gives it to their spoiled and entitled little brother. This new kid nation is a) stewing on 3000 years of lived experience that says “everyone in the world is out to get us all the time”, b) armed to the gills with leftover weapons from the war, and c) very mad that the muslims took over Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy Sites. The Israeli are thankful for the gift from the west but are also salty that it’s not big enough and start to take matters into their own hands. Asking for forgiveness instead of permission (or sometimes not even that), they take by force big chunks of land from literally all their neighbours. The more militaristic neighbours like Egypt and Jordan fight back with varied levels of success, but places like Palestine get backed into a corner. 
 

Looking through the colonial lens of the 20th C, Palestine is a nobody. They were a colony of the Ottoman Empire (rip) and became an orphan travelling from foster home to foster home after WWI. They tried and tried to get their own nation state, first from the League of Nations, then through rebellions, then through the United Nations, but no dice. The British took over the former Ottoman colonies and granted Jordan its independence in the 1920s, but not Palestine.
 

The Brits and the UN made a plan to create BOTH a Palestinian Arab state and an Israeli Jewish state in 1948. On literally the last day of Western control - the next day would create Palestine and Israel - Israel was like “lmao no it’s actually all ours now” and declared independence and control of the whole area the next day. The west was essentially just over the whole thing and went “sure whatever”. Having a Middle Eastern ally, a country so grateful and happy about the western assistance in making this happen, was very advantageous as oil continued to become the most important resource in the world.  The Arab neighbours (Egypt, Syria, Jordan) were PISSED and immediately started a war with Israel. The Arab countries snagged a bunch of territory like the Sinai and the West Bank, and Israel spent the rest of their existence fighting wars to try to get all that territory back, and more. 
 

Israel has since then acted like a North Korea, except with a big brother who watches out for them. They are a paranoid, aggressive, nation whose identity is essentially “not Arab”. They collective and existentially believe (not  always incorrectly, based on both 3000 years of existence and 70 years of constant war) that the rest of their Middlen Eastern world hates them and wants to destroy them in the same way Hitler did. When your mindset is that “we just got genocided and we are never ever going to let that happen again”, the collective psyche of the country becomes paranoid and aggressive towards everyone. They *needed* to fight Egypt and Jordan because they needed a buffer to keep them safe from the inevitable invasions. They *needed* to relocate and concentrate Palestinians onto the West Bank. They *needed* arms deal after arms deal from the States, lest their enemies become more militarily advanced than them. Developing, advancing, and using the military has been one of the primary goals of Israel literally forever. 
 

It’s easy to fight Egypt and Jordan because they also have militaries. Palestine does not and never did have a formal military. Israel knew better than anyone that beating up on a poor defenceless peoples wasn’t kosher in the modern age anymore. When Israel trumped the Palestinian independence, and when their world turned into a war zone, the Palestinians ran. They became refugees in all the neighbouring Arab states. As soon as they left, Israel was like “you left willingly, so no coming back” and passed laws that gave all the Palestinian land that was given up to Jewish peoples from around the world eager to come “home” to Israel. The people that stayed eventually had the same things happen to them over the decades, their homes turning into war zones and being forced to relocate to refugee camps. Israel was kind enough to set up a colony of refugee camps on the West Bank and Gaza for Palestine, and continued to appropriate their lands outside of the camps. 
 

Israel, like most of the world, wasn’t really a fan of taking care of their refugees. As the rest of the world developed, Palestine didn’t. They became a third world country within a first world country. Israel made the conditions purposefully bad to try to force Palestinians out, so they can take the land they “gave up”. For years (and still) access in and out of Palestine is controlled by the Israeli military. It’s literally a jail - people are trapped there unless their arch enemies allow them to leave, in which case they would probably never be allowed back. Clean water was scarce, and good food and medical supplies were tightly restricted. Palestinian rebels built tunnels to smuggle in supplies, and Israeli forces would destroy them (sometimes with people in them!) whenever they were discovered. 
 

Understandably, Palestinians are pissed. They’ve had enough for the last 20 years. But, they have no real way to do anything about it. Due to their paranoid nature, the Israeli military is the second most powerful in the world (the first is their big bro USA who supports them and let’s them do their thing). When Palestinians fight back, they literally and metaphorically throw rocks and rockets at Israel. Israel laughs because they have a missile defence bubble that makes them never get hurt. But, when Palestine “starts it” by throwing a rock, that “gives permission” to Israel to come back swinging hundreds of times stronger than the initial attack. They are a grown ass man beating up on a child who kicked them in the shin. Trevor Noah did a great explanation of this last week (on mobile, someone Google) about the power dynamic between the two countries and how his mother taught him not to murder his toddler brother even if the kid punched him in the nuts. 
 

And then, of course, religion ramps everything up to 11. In today’s shit, Israel cut off Palestinians from one of their most holy sites at the end of one of the most holy months. Understandably, they were pissed and protested. Of course, that protest of throwing rocks and shit warranted a reminder of who’s boss and led to the current rocket barrage from Israel. Israel pokes Palestine, Palestine tells them to fuck off, Israel punches them in the face and says they started it - all with the goal of moving them out of the West Bank and Gaza one way or another so those lands can be reincorporated into the Israeli state. 
 

Its fucked. I work hard to understand all perspectives, and I get the Israeli insecurity and need to arm themselves to the gills. The best defence is a good offence and all that jazz. But the Israeli have been violating the human rights of Palestinians since the 1940s. America, with the second largest Jewish population in the world, is okay with this because of a) a powerful Jewish lobby, and b) the protection of American resource extraction in the area. Things that make us money >>> things that don’t make us money. When the global super power does nothing about the problem, the rest of the world just shrugs and agrees that it must not be a problem. I get the “no anti American sentiments” but time and time again American presidents, Republicans and Democrats, have gone out of their way to implement a foreign policy that allows and emboldens Israel to do exactly this all of the time. It’s only news now because the “war” (is it a war when only one side is armed?) has heated up more than usual. It’s important to know this never really cooled off, Palestinian protests and Israeli retaliatory bombings are just a fact of life there. It’s a horrible, awful way to live in our so-called developed world. 
 

This shouldn’t be a political issue. No one should be able to argue for the bombing of civilians and children. But, when society is as fractured as we are, every opinion about anything deserves equal airtime for its counter opinion. 
 

Humans suck and my heart breaks for the Palestinians. They just want to govern themselves for the first time ever, like literally every other former colony in the world has been allowed to. They just want to celebrate Eid at a Muslim holy site in their neighbourhood. They just want clean water and to not die from preventable diseases. They just want to go to school. But Israel be like *bugs bunny no gif*. 

This is a great response and I think one of the issues with society is when it comes to political opinions (especially centred ones) people need to learn to educate, not hate. 

Edited May 18, 2021 by McKelvie

[DMaximus 1,046]

1 hour ago, bigAL said:

America, with the second largest Jewish population in the world, is okay with this because of a) a powerful Jewish lobby, and b) the protection of American resource extraction in the area. Things that make us money >>> things that don’t make us money.

 

Love the write up @bigAL 

Wanted to add another reason for support from America, which is the desire of some Evangelical Christians to usher in the apocalypse by destroying the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock then building the Third Temple on top of the Temple Mount. Some readers of the Bible conclude that the Third Temple is a pre-requisite to kick off the apocalypse. Fortunately for the rest of the world for now, Otrhodox Rabbis in Jerusalem are waiting for a red heifer to be born before they greenlight the destruction of one of the holiest Muslim sites and build the Third Temple. 

 

Some more details here: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/explanation/jerusalem.html   https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/readings/forcing.html 

 

[bigAL 2,176]

2 hours ago, McKelvie said:

This is a great response and I think one of the issues with society is when it comes to political opinions (especially centred ones) people need to learn to educate, not hate. 

Thanks guy. I know you don't know me but I'm a teacher with degrees in history and geography and a masters, so I'm the local expert of nuance and context. We can diffuse a lot of conflict by taking a big deep breath, stepping back, and genuinely honestly trying to understand things from the other side's perspective, recognizing that they are operating with different facts and socio-cultural contexts than we are. You can still say "Israel bad" but it really helps to understand why they are doing what they are doing. No one wakes up and chooses to be evil every day, and everyone is the hero in their own story. When you can see why they think they're a hero, you can see where things went wrong and (most importantly) get them to see the error of their ways using language and background info they understand. 

[hedgehog337 3,483]

fuck you whoever came up with that bullshit idea of making this thread and fuck these two countries as well

 

fuck politics while we're at it

[bigAL 2,176]

29 minutes ago, DMaximus said:

 

Love the write up @bigAL 

Wanted to add another reason for support from America, which is the desire of some Evangelical Christians to usher in the apocalypse by destroying the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock then building the Third Temple on top of the Temple Mount. Some readers of the Bible conclude that the Third Temple is a pre-requisite to kick off the apocalypse. Fortunately for the rest of the world for now, Otrhodox Rabbis in Jerusalem are waiting for a red heifer to be born before they greenlight the destruction of one of the holiest Muslim sites and build the Third Temple. 

 

Some more details here: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/explanation/jerusalem.html   https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/readings/forcing.html 

 

Man organized religion sucks. I say that as a teacher at a Catholic school, and I feel pretty uncomfortable there some days. Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the exact same god and believe in all the same prophets. Jews believe the Son of God hasn't arrived yet, but that Jesus was a dope holy dude. Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that Muhammad was a dope holy dude too. Muslims believe that Jesus was a dope holy dude, but Muhammad is the actual Son of God. It's all fucking semantics - they all believe in the exact same thing but will literally genocide each other arguing over how you believe in that god. Religion is so fundamentally tied to identity for such a majority of both the current world and through history that any slight difference in belief or practice feels like a targetted assault on you, your family, and your history. Even the Shia / Sunni differences within Islam are so tragically minor that they really shouldn't lead to the atrocities that they have in the last 1000 years. If everyone actually read their holy texts and listened to their god and walked the walk, they'd all be treating each other the way they want to be treated. Instead, the powerful co-opted spirituality to build organized structures that serve the people in power. The Catholic Church is one of the most heinous actors of the last 2000 years and has continually done horrible things in the name of religion. It's purposefully designed to control their followers - I am floored every time I remember that their Mass was in LATIN until the 1960s. They were HAPPY that no one could understand what they were hearing or saying in church for hundreds of years. They were the original door to door scam salesmen, and charged Middle Ages families cold hard cash to ensure that their dead loved ones would get into heaven. Ugh this rant got sidetracked, but I guess my point is that those evangelicals are terrifyingly fervent believers that they want to literally destroy human existence through an apocalypse rather than fucking share with Muslims. The world would be a nicer place if people were more spiritual and less religious.

[mediocrepony 1,216]

6 minutes ago, bigAL said:

Jesus was a dope holy dude. 

thats what im calling Jesus from now on

[ke1vi 662]

18 minutes ago, bigAL said:

Thanks guy. I know you don't know me but I'm a teacher with degrees in history and geography and a masters, so I'm the local expert of nuance and context. We can diffuse a lot of conflict by taking a big deep breath, stepping back, and genuinely honestly trying to understand things from the other side's perspective, recognizing that they are operating with different facts and socio-cultural contexts than we are. You can still say "Israel bad" but it really helps to understand why they are doing what they are doing. No one wakes up and chooses to be evil every day, and everyone is the hero in their own story. When you can see why they think they're a hero, you can see where things went wrong and (most importantly) get them to see the error of their ways using language and background info they understand. 

LMAO I literally said to myself “man I really hope this guy is making good use of this knowledge” so glad to know that it’s happening. 

[Baozi 1,658]

I mean the situation isn't black and white as we all know.

 

But just as a quick history lesson, the creation of Israel can be traced back to the Brits fault promising multiple people this land (themselves, Palestine and modern Israelis) which created this conflict.

 

For a simplified version of the history lesson here is a clip for you. But in short the Zionists are the ultra radicals that keep pushing for conflict where they could simply CO-EXIST TOGETHER.

 

The entire situation is FUBAR though but I'm primarily angry at the Israeli stance of wanting to continue despite mounting casualties. They obviously don't care about peace so this is more or less war mongering on their side and US blocking UN on this and multiple issues is a terrible look.

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by tfong

[Dil 1,760]

I see the British messed up two other countries in 1947 aswell....

[Baozi 1,658]

14 minutes ago, Dil said:

I see the British messed up two other countries in 1947 aswell....

 

Have you seen what the brits did to China over the course of a 200 years?

 

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by tfong

[Dil 1,760]

2 minutes ago, tfong said:

 

Have you seen what the brits did to China over the course of a 200 years?

 

 

Have you seen how the brits hired a lawyer who hadn’t been to the subcontinent in his life to draw the border of India and Pakistan in one day by literally looking at what % of the population of each district was Muslim and Hindu?