Advantage 2,891 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 So a team like Seattle where everyone is loyal, it's easy to keep everyone who wants to play? With some cap going up due to the TPE brackets, just won't happen. Except it is easy to keep the majority of those members. When they are making the minimum, you will find that you can pretty easily fit the majority of the team. There may be a point where you have to trade a few guys to younger guys who will be loyal...this is in place for a reason. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk 1,298 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Holy shut up chwis n make me gm u promised Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molholt 2,185 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Sorry, I meant my non-asshole teammates. Not wanting to be on a team does not make me an asshole. In fact, it has to do with my own player no team specifically. But it does counter your point. Every team has places they can shed/move cap and maintain the loyal ones. Phil 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I like how contracting the VHLM turned into VHL salary cap by the second page Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 trade everyone for goalies thats the trick CowboyinAmerica and eaglesfan036 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,947 Posted March 24, 2015 Admin Share Posted March 24, 2015 I like how contracting the VHLM turned into VHL salary cap by the second pageno one cares about the VHLM Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagger 2,722 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Jones, I'm looking at the Bears roster and I'm not really seeing why you don't believe that you'd be able to keep all of them that want to stay there for the foreseeable future. From what I see, there's enough players leaving the team either through retirement (Villeneuve) or other means (From his posts, I presume Savage) in the near future, along with a few players on welfare and one inactive to suggest that you should be able to keep all of them that want to be there on the team without exceeding the current salary cap. And that's not even accounting for the possibility that any of those that are currently active going inactive. Edited March 24, 2015 by YEAH! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk 1,298 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Jones, I'm looking at the Bears roster and I'm not really seeing why you don't believe that you'd be able to keep all of them that want to stay there for the foreseeable future. From what I see, there's enough players leaving the team either through retirement (Villeneuve) or other means (From his posts, I presume Savage) in the near future, along with a few players on welfare and one inactive to suggest that you should be able to keep all of them that want to be there on the team without exceeding the current salary cap. And that's not even accounting for the possibility that any of those that are currently active going inactive. U always no watto say yuh! Ur da best be my ayss Tagger 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,899 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Jones, I'm looking at the Bears roster and I'm not really seeing why you don't believe that you'd be able to keep all of them that want to stay there for the foreseeable future. From what I see, there's enough players leaving the team either through retirement (Villeneuve) or other means (From his posts, I presume Savage) in the near future, along with a few players on welfare and one inactive to suggest that you should be able to keep all of them that want to be there on the team without exceeding the current salary cap. And that's not even accounting for the possibility that any of those that are currently active going inactive. Well the thing is you aren't accounting for trades that could happen or even free agency that is coming up. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagger 2,722 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Well the thing is you aren't accounting for trades that could happen or even free agency that is coming up. By those, I presume you mean trading for/signing more/better players? If so, what you're in fact saying is not "We need to up the salary cap because I can't keep all of the players that I want to keep", but instead saying "We need to up the salary cap because I can't add to the players that want to stay here without removing some", which isn't nearly a good enough reason to increase the salary cap. If you want to add players to your team but don't have the financial leeway to do so whilst keeping the players that want to stay, then that's on you to make the decision as to whether you want to keep those that want to stay or to improve the team. Phil, Kendrick, JardyB10 and 4 others 7 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Is Mikaelsson on a rookie contract? Why is he making 4,000,000 a season? I get talking about raising the cap because of loyalty, but if loyalty was your end game why take a max loaded contract? By the way several teams have kept guys who remained loyal and fit them under the cap. Helsinki seems to be doing pretty good, even able to go acquire one of the top contracts to play goaltender for them by means of a trade. As Chris pointed out, look at New York. They seemed to run over other teams the last 4-5 season with the same core. Hell even going out and grabbing Bentley. So I'm not sure where the argument comes where the VHL Cap needs to increase to reward loyalty and gain a bigger player base in the VHL. Like I stated before, you want more players on your roster and an increased cap? Go out and recruit your asses off so they arrive in shipment size. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk 1,298 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 NY hasn't been the same since i left lr has gone done a lot Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank 5,212 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Oh look Draper stole my idea. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,947 Posted March 24, 2015 Admin Share Posted March 24, 2015 NY hasn't been the same since i left lr has gone done a lot we have done a lot. like not letting munk leave. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,899 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Is Mikaelsson on a rookie contract? Why is he making 4,000,000 a season? I get talking about raising the cap because of loyalty, but if loyalty was your end game why take a max loaded contract? By the way several teams have kept guys who remained loyal and fit them under the cap. Helsinki seems to be doing pretty good, even able to go acquire one of the top contracts to play goaltender for them by means of a trade. As Chris pointed out, look at New York. They seemed to run over other teams the last 4-5 season with the same core. Hell even going out and grabbing Bentley. So I'm not sure where the argument comes where the VHL Cap needs to increase to reward loyalty and gain a bigger player base in the VHL. Like I stated before, you want more players on your roster and an increased cap? Go out and recruit your asses off so they arrive in shipment size. Bushito offered out those contracts because at the time it was myself, him and Corco. There was tons of room for cap. So for me to not take 4M in my rookie year would have been stupid. Then this season, I couldn't take a pay cut because the VHL rules don't allow it so I had to stick what what was already given to me. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk 1,298 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 we have done a lot. like not letting munk leave. fml autocorrect u got me m8 ps recreate with me Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,899 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 So how about maybe since all you stiffs are too stuck on keeping the cap, allow a person to have their contract reworked then. Say someone making like 6M can drop down to like 4 or 5M and help the team out. Seems a little less problems with all you guys whining about not wanting to bump the cap. But the only way it can be reworked is if they are on at least a 3/4 year deal and they play out at least their first year on that deal. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk 1,298 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) do u even gm m8 thats not a gd idea imo too easy of a cope out.. wud need restrictions ex tpe bracket Edited March 25, 2015 by Munk Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 So how about maybe since all you stiffs are too stuck on keeping the cap, allow a person to have their contract reworked then. Say someone making like 6M can drop down to like 4 or 5M and help the team out. Seems a little less problems with all you guys whining about not wanting to bump the cap. But the only way it can be reworked is if they are on at least a 3/4 year deal and they play out at least their first year on that deal. No one was whining about about not bumping the cap up. In fact people were whining the cap should go up. Look at the entire conversation, the "cap going up" party brought it up, thus considered whining. We've never had issues before, not sure why we'd rework an area that doesn't need to be reworked. Also accepting that 4 M is not your fault, but then that falls on the GM. So in this case we can sum this all up by saying: Good GM's make the cap work for them; they don't work for the cap. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Haha, Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 do u even gm m8 thats not a gd idea imo too easy of a cope out.. wud need restrictions ex tpe bracket He obviously brings up a good point because he is Munk. Its basically saying "You can re-structure that players contract because you don't know how to GM properly and plan a budget in which 90% of the past GM's have been able to work with quite smoothly". Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munk 1,298 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Haha, post of the fukin yr 10/10 fgt He obviously brings up a good point because he is Munk. Its basically saying "You can re-structure that players contract because you don't know how to GM properly and plan a budget in which 90% of the past GM's have been able to work with quite smoothly". ya dats wat i sad smh kenny but thx for recipreating it <3 Edited March 25, 2015 by Munk stevo, JardyB10 and Will 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 post of the fukin yr 10/10 fgt You know what I learned in school today Munk? Well I know your probably not gonna guess or know so I will tell you. Canadians teachers teach their students to not be racist or to be homophobic, so you going around and posting "fgt" all over the place shows that you did not go to school. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,899 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 No one was whining about about not bumping the cap up. In fact people were whining the cap should go up. Look at the entire conversation, the "cap going up" party brought it up, thus considered whining. We've never had issues before, not sure why we'd rework an area that doesn't need to be reworked. Also accepting that 4 M is not your fault, but then that falls on the GM. So in this case we can sum this all up by saying: Good GM's make the cap work for them; they don't work for the cap. Actually its the same stiffs who always try to think that the league isn't changing. One really good move was made today. Don't take 1 step forward only to fall back 5. Keep moving forward and make that cap number rise. Don't make the league the same old boring thing. Make change and draw in new members. Pretty sure everyone has seen it happen in real life so make it happen here and make the VHL better for it's own good. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOM 8,758 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Davos will be fine. In Coach we trust. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/18596-s42-contracting-the-vhlm/page/3/#findComment-196668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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