Quik 4,113 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 As most around here know, there is a rule in place in the VHL that all teams must start a 2nd goalie for a minimum of 8 games. Until very recently, the league's simmers have taken it upon themselves to enforce that teams adhere to this rule, however, it is not on @Will, or any other simmer, to do so. Going forward, it will be a GM's full responsibility to ensure their team has 8 starts from a 2nd goalie. The punishment for failing to start a 2nd goaltender the minimum 8 games, is at the discretion of the league's Commissioners. This punishment can involve loss of draft picks and/or cap space in following seasons, as well as potentially having to start a backup goaltender in the playoffs, for games missed in the regular season. Should an offending team be managed, or contain a player created, by a VHL Commissioner, an alternate will take their place in determining the level of punishment levied for failing to start a back-up goaltender the minimum required number of games. Spoiler KEATON LOUTH RULE PUNISHMENT TRACKER ShawnGlade 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace 1,534 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) This should apply twice-fold in the VHLM in my opinion. In my suggestion, I recommended two games per every ten the team plays. Essentially two games in a ten game schedule were played by the backup goaltender, which in a seventy two game schedule turns into about 14 - 16 games. Edited January 11, 2019 by Peace der meister 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Peace said: This should apply twice-fold in the VHLM in my opinion. In my suggestion, I recommended two games per every ten the team plays. Essentially two games in a ten game schedule were played by the backup goaltender, which in a seventy two game schedule turns into about 14 - 16 games. not a bad idea Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik 4,113 Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Peace said: This should apply twice-fold in the VHLM in my opinion. In my suggestion, I recommended two games per every ten the team plays. Essentially two games in a ten game schedule were played by the backup goaltender, which in a seventy two game schedule turns into about 14 - 16 games. I mean, yeah, that's fair. That's a @Banackock / @.sniffuM discussion, but yeah... The only issue is enforcing that would be a nightmare, and it's not really fair to force them to look into every team's schedule and keep track of who plays a backup in a certain block of games or not. I would think/hope that VHLM GMs are playing active backup goalies a decent amount though. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banackock 8,053 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Less needed imo in VHLM, but I’ll give it thought. We have 7263728 things and discussions going. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here and get overwhelmed. One thing at a time so things are proper and we have limited to zero issues. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace 1,534 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Banackock said: Less needed imo in VHLM, but I’ll give it thought. We have 7263728 things and discussions going. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here and get overwhelmed. One thing at a time so things are proper and we have limited to zero issues. I don't mean to clutter things, but I'm just a simpleton on the website. I can't see any of the discussions going on in the BoG or behind closed curtains. Banackock 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) We should rename this the Beaviss in Mexico rule or Beaviss is forgetful rule. Edited January 11, 2019 by Beaviss Spade18 and Quik 1 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enorama 2,038 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 More like Beaviss is a filthy cheater, amirite? Victor, Spade18 and Beaviss 2 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ace 3,112 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Peace said: This should apply twice-fold in the VHLM in my opinion. In my suggestion, I recommended two games per every ten the team plays. Essentially two games in a ten game schedule were played by the backup goaltender, which in a seventy two game schedule turns into about 14 - 16 games. I'm good with the 14-16 games (when I had 2 actives, they were 38 and 34 games) but adamantly opposed to them having to be incremented, as it would turn into a nightmare for inputting lines. If all 14-16 games are dead center of the season, that is fine. Don't think it's reasonable to have to put in new lines essentially every sim just to swap goalies if nothing is changing. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eudaldkp 160 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I like the rule, in fact I wouldn't mind if it were more games. This way we could help ease the goalie situation when eventually we have too many goalies in the VHL. It wouldn't be so bad to draft a goalie. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace 1,534 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, diamond_ace said: I'm good with the 14-16 games (when I had 2 actives, they were 38 and 34 games) but adamantly opposed to them having to be incremented, as it would turn into a nightmare for inputting lines. If all 14-16 games are dead center of the season, that is fine. Don't think it's reasonable to have to put in new lines essentially every sim just to swap goalies if nothing is changing. 14-16 games in the middle of the season is boring for a backup goaltender I'd imagine. Incremental games, sure, but spread out. 5 games at the start, 5 games in the middle and 5 games at the end. A playoff game. It would also help if teams set the 'pull goalie' feature after allowing like four goals or something. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ace 3,112 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5/5/5 would be fine Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.sniffuM 1,741 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, Peace said: I don't mean to clutter things, but I'm just a simpleton on the website. I can't see any of the discussions going on in the BoG or behind closed curtains. All good. As bana said though, there is a lot currently being discussed (VHLM and otherwise), so hit us with a reminder on this in a couple weeks when things are hopefully a little more fleshed out and we should be able to give more attention to it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spade18 1,305 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Enorama said: More like Beaviss is a filthy cheater, amirite? This. A million times this Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, Spade18 said: This. A million times this take that back! Spade18 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace 1,534 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Beaviss said: take that back! Make him! Give him the jersey! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-578883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted February 3, 2019 Senior Admin Share Posted February 3, 2019 And the first person to break the Keaton Louth rule.... Keaton Louth! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-584938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgehog337 3,483 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Will said: And the first person to break the Keaton Louth rule.... Keaton Louth! and still couldn't finish the season higher than Toronto. Victor 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-584943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,026 Posted February 3, 2019 Commissioner Share Posted February 3, 2019 This season Quebec ( @Beaviss) failed to start their backup 3 times and Helsinki once. While both GM’s made attempts they ultimately did leave it to the last minute when standings were more or less set and also knew the rules would be enforced. Since @Quik was directly involved (being Helsinki GM) @Will and I were the ones to confer on it and we agree that the best course of action this season would be to remove playoff games from both teams. Therefore QUE G will be starting for the (up to) 3 games of the Wild Card round and HSK G will start the first game of the Riga vs. Helsinki series. As a reminder to all, games played and games started are not the same thing. The backup goalie must start 8 games. The starter being pulled and giving the backup an extra GP does not count. @VHL GM Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-585000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spade18 1,305 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Beketov said: This season Quebec ( @Beaviss) failed to start their backup 3 times Quote omgitshim and Nykonax 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-585017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Beketov said: This season Quebec ( @Beaviss) failed to start their backup 3 times and Helsinki once. While both GM’s made attempts they ultimately did leave it to the last minute when standings were more or less set and also knew the rules would be enforced. Since @Quik was directly involved (being Helsinki GM) @Will and I were the ones to confer on it and we agree that the best course of action this season would be to remove playoff games from both teams. Therefore QUE G will be starting for the (up to) 3 games of the Wild Card round and HSK G will start the first game of the Riga vs. Helsinki series. As a reminder to all, games played and games started are not the same thing. The backup goalie must start 8 games. The starter being pulled and giving the backup an extra GP does not count. @VHL GM He did start 8 games.... Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-585023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Oh I remember what happened now... It was when devise was simming and I sent lines to the vhl email... And they wernt uploaded for 3 days and when I checked que G I saw 7 games played. I guess I assumed I was in the clear..... Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-585024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,026 Posted February 3, 2019 Commissioner Share Posted February 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, Beaviss said: Oh I remember what happened now... It was when devise was simming and I sent lines to the vhl email... And they wernt uploaded for 3 days and when I checked que G I saw 7 games played. I guess I assumed I was in the clear..... Like I said, games played aren’t games started. Even with the extra one against Seattle that you weren’t expecting you were 3 under. It sucks but it’s the rules; we were very clear that we’d start punishing for it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-585039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnGlade 1,010 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 damn rip. I'm assuming Davos had the most backup games played? Stoffiday started 40 and Davison got 32 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-585046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaviss 4,957 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 58 minutes ago, Beketov said: Like I said, games played aren’t games started. Even with the extra one against Seattle that you weren’t expecting you were 3 under. It sucks but it’s the rules; we were very clear that we’d start punishing for it. Next season I'm just gonna cpu start the next 8 games so I don't have to worry about it next time. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/57048-keaton-louth-rule/#findComment-585058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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