Kendrick 4,741 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Just now, StevenStamkos91 said: and here i though SHL DC was bad. we need @RomanesEuntDomus to come in here and lay down the law As if, RED is one of the leagues biggest dumpster fires. It's why the SHL's DC sucks. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-323955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted March 27, 2016 Senior Admin Share Posted March 27, 2016 16 minutes ago, JardyB10 said: As for @DGFX. technically being a RFA performing a holdout, that is actually correct (Although I don't think the rules are that vague on that. Just where you need to accept, I suppose). So I suppose in that case, the Titans WEREN'T over the cap, they just had an illegal player on their roster. Either way, fuck them. DGFX and I have talked quite a bit and we did agree on a contract in the off-season - I guess he just never got around to officially accepting it, but he definitely wasn't holding out or anything like that. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-323956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastOlympian07 2,388 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Kendrick said: As if, RED is one of the leagues biggest dumpster fires. It's why the SHL's DC sucks. thats the joke...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................kendrick you suck.................................................................................................................................................................................................................. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-323958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Tortorella 2,653 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I also agree that the punishment should be at least a 2nd round pick. Whether or not Gorlab made a mistake, I'd argue that GMs should be on top of their cap/roster situation as well. I don't believe that Draper acted maliciously, but taking away a 3rd is basically nothing. 1 minute ago, Draper said: DGFX and I have talked quite a bit and we did agree on a contract in the off-season - I guess he just never got around to officially accepting it, but he definitely wasn't holding out or anything like that. If he didn't post it publicly, then he never officially accepted it though. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-323966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted March 28, 2016 Senior Admin Share Posted March 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, flyersfan1493 said: If he didn't post it publicly, then he never officially accepted it though. I'm pretty sure there are loads of instances where rookies don't 'officially' accept their rookie contracts and they go through anyways. I was always under the impression that unless they're openly rejecting it, rookie contracts from the draft are auto-accepted. gorlab 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-323969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JardyB10 4,865 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, Kendrick said: Cole had applied 175 TPE, like other VHLM players as soon as they did that he was not set to return to the VHLM at any point (as stated to me by Jardy himself) and Smarch last season. I don't know if I'm reading this correctly, but since he's not above 200 TPE yet (although, his as yet un-updated post would), I don't see anything wrong with him unapplying 25ish points from his current attributes and banking them. If I'm not mistaken, the same exception was made for Stockton and Brampton a few seasons back. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-323970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Victor 10,942 Posted March 28, 2016 Admin Share Posted March 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, Draper said: I'm pretty sure there are loads of instances where rookies don't 'officially' accept their rookie contracts and they go through anyways. I was always under the impression that unless they're openly rejecting it, rookie contracts from the draft are auto-accepted. This is correct, with many precedents. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-323976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JardyB10 4,865 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Draper said: I'm pretty sure there are loads of instances where rookies don't 'officially' accept their rookie contracts and they go through anyways. I was always under the impression that unless they're openly rejecting it, rookie contracts from the draft are auto-accepted. I don't really think there is, honestly. At least there shouldn't be. Only inactives should have their rookie contracts auto-accepted. Apparently not. Wth, people!? I swear this is very clear in the rules. Apparently it isn't. 18 minutes ago, flyersfan1493 said: I also agree that the punishment should be at least a 2nd round pick. Whether or not Gorlab made a mistake, I'd argue that GMs should be on top of their cap/roster situation as well. I don't believe that Draper acted maliciously, but taking away a 3rd is basically nothing. I agree that GMs should be on top of their cap, but if gorlab WAS on top of the finances, Helsinki wouldn't be needing to give up anything. That's where I think intent comes in, and Draper pointing this out to me in the first place is a big part of why I opted for a 3rd instead of a 2nd, particularly in conjunction with the finance error. If it was any other non-Titan, maybe it would have been different. Stripping a 3rd round was meant just as much as what I view as a fair punishment given the circumstances, as it was a warning shot to other GMs. Edited March 28, 2016 by JardyB10 Double edit. Victor 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-323978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 32 minutes ago, Victor said: This is correct, with many precedents. Can confirm, I always was under this impression. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-323999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
STZ 5,360 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Punishment would be to send Draper to QC.. Will, eaglesfan036 and Kesler 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler 1,514 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Draper said: We would probably have done nothing, just like we did the last time he was over the cap. tf when was that homie Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, STZ said: Punishment would be to send Draper to QC.. Seems a bit harsh to send him there. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted March 28, 2016 Senior Admin Share Posted March 28, 2016 29 minutes ago, brovy said: tf when was that homie http://www.vhlforum.com/index.php?/topic/29180-a-short-history-of-recent-financial-issues/ Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarch 3,153 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 hour ago, JardyB10 said: I don't know if I'm reading this correctly, but since he's not above 200 TPE yet (although, his as yet un-updated post would), I don't see anything wrong with him unapplying 25ish points from his current attributes and banking them. If I'm not mistaken, the same exception was made for Stockton and Brampton a few seasons back. I was just about to touch on this. It be easy to undo the past updated that sent him past the cap Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 this is shades of s45/46 when higgins ninja edited his salary i will take full blame and as punishment i will be suspended with tpe pay, retroactively. Kesler and TheLastOlympian07 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,899 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Draper said: I'm pretty sure there are loads of instances where rookies don't 'officially' accept their rookie contracts and they go through anyways. I was always under the impression that unless they're openly rejecting it, rookie contracts from the draft are auto-accepted. If that was the case, the Bears wouldn't have had to deal with the whole fiasco with Molholt's player when he was drafted there. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Admin Will 4,660 Posted March 28, 2016 Senior Admin Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Da Trifecta said: If that was the case, the Bears wouldn't have had to deal with the whole fiasco with Molholt's player when he was drafted there. 2 hours ago, Draper said: I'm pretty sure there are loads of instances where rookies don't 'officially' accept their rookie contracts and they go through anyways. I was always under the impression that unless they're openly rejecting it, rookie contracts from the draft are auto-accepted. Yes they would, because he was openly rejecting it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,899 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Draper said: Yes they would, because he was openly rejecting it. He never said, "I reject this contract" or "I am not signing that". Or anything along those lines. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyinAmerica 2,889 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Da Trifecta said: He never said, "I reject this contract" or "I am not signing that". Or anything along those lines. Problem with the Bears one IIRC was that the GM never offered him a contract in the first place until after the season started. Actually checked to make sure Draper had done so for that reason Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Trifecta 1,899 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 minute ago, CowboyinAmerica said: Problem with the Bears one IIRC was that the GM never offered him a contract in the first place until after the season started. Actually checked to make sure Draper had done so for that reason I was the Co-GM as stated by Bushito himself and had offered the contract myself. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagger 2,722 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, Da Trifecta said: I was the Co-GM as stated by Bushito himself and had offered the contract myself. You did offer a contract, the problem was that your contract offer came after the end of the pre-season, which as stated in the rules, if a draftee hasn't been offered a contract by the end of the preseason, he becomes an unrestricted FA. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
boubabi 4,725 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 2 hours ago, JardyB10 said: I don't know if I'm reading this correctly, but since he's not above 200 TPE yet (although, his as yet un-updated post would), I don't see anything wrong with him unapplying 25ish points from his current attributes and banking them. If I'm not mistaken, the same exception was made for Stockton and Brampton a few seasons back. wat you said munk's player couldn't go into the vhlm for the same reason Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregreg 930 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 this entire league is rigged Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrick 4,741 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 44 minutes ago, boubabi said: wat you said munk's player couldn't go into the vhlm for the same reason ^This. Every year as a VHLM Updater I asked what the rules were, not because I didn't know them but because every year the people in charge changed what they were going to allow or not. It sucks not having a hard rule in place for that. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachReilly 688 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 smh. what a season for the front office. #FeelTheBern Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/29176-titans-over-the-cap/page/2/#findComment-324099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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