Two New GMs

[Hex Universe 253]

Lots of changes, so little time

 

[Ricer13 2,827]

Personally I stand on the side that a GM role should be given to someone with some experience. 
 

New members should be hired for the WJC and for AGM positions at either level as an entry point to gain experience. Once you have some experience then being considered for a GM role makes sense.

 

I start from the bottom. I got an AGM job as a first gen user. I worked my ass off for that team and it got noticed. I also GM’d for the WJC to gain a bit more experience. This led to me ultimately becoming a GM which in my opinion is the right way to do it.

 

No offense to first gens but becoming a GM without any knowledge of how this league works or the amount of effort it actually takes only sets you up for failure.

 

 

[Ricer13 2,827]

I also agree with Spartan in the sense that first gens have been given a large amount of opportunity in this league.

[Hex Universe 253]

2 minutes ago, Ricer13 said:

I start from the bottom. I got an AGM job as a first gen user. I worked my ass off for that team and it got noticed. I also GM’d for the WJC to gain a bit more experience. This led to me ultimately becoming a GM which in my opinion is the right way to do it.

And that's how I'm doing it too

As a still recent first-gen user, I know I have a long way to go in terms of gaining knowledge regarding how to fully run a team. Many others have put in far more work for a lot longer and each member that earns a position did just that, they all EARNED it.

[Spartan 4,531]

2 minutes ago, Ricer13 said:

I also agree with Spartan in the sense that first gens have been given a large amount of opportunity in this league.

We're two great representatives of that statement! We've had a shit ton of opportunities in this league because we've worked for it and kept applying even after we got rejected the first time. We've all been rejected plenty of times, just gotta keep applying for anything and everything.

[Gustav 6,470]

5 minutes ago, Spartan said:

We've been having a fun discussion and looking back through history since the start of S75 to see if vets are actually taking opportunities from first-gens/newer members. From S75 (or whenever @Hex Universe joined the league) to today, we've recorded 18 hirings to VHL/VHLM GM/AGM positions. We made a nice breakdown of how it shapes up:

 

VHL GM:

1 First-Gen - Hylands

1 Veteran - Ricer (2nd player about to get drafted)

 

VHL AGM:

5 First-Gens - MattyIce, Ledge, Brewins, Selsby, Domg

1 Vet - Poptart

 

VHL GM:

3 First-Gens: Rory, Zetterberg, Thad

2 Vets: ADV, IR

 

VHLM AGM:

6 First-Gens: Hex, Juice, Tina, Selsby x2 (yeesh this man be zooming around), Prout for a brief stint.

 

Total breakdown, from S75 onwards, 15 out of 19 GM/AGM hirings have been First-Gens. I really, really do not think this is cause for concern lol. 

 

That also doesn't mean people aren't going to blow up about it. VHLM drama doesn't need a reason to happen before it does 

 

I guess I just also wonder who else was considered and who else was directly passed over. Was someone who deserves a job and who has applied a few times passed over in favor of an experienced member who applied once? In that case I'd still disagree with that for a VHLM hiring at least, regardless of the members involved or past hiring history involving (or not involving) first-gens.

 

Like I said, the best thing for everyone to do is to move on and accept ADV and IR as VHLM GMs. If valid and relevant points about the hiring process were made in this thread, I hope they're considered as feedback--but "I'm going to whine because I don't like who was hired" is the classic VHLM drama and I hope that doesn't creep in too much either.

[bigAL 2,176]

I think one thing lost in this debate (but touched on by Spartan and Gus) is that the jobs of a GM in both leagues are fundamentally different. Like Spartan said, the VHLM is a really hard job that deserves more recognition for what it requires.

 

The VHL GM is focused on building a winning program. They have to think long term about setting the team up for a shot at the Continental Cup first and foremost. The players on their team are x's and o's. The VHL GM is concerned with people.

 

The VHLM GM is focused on building a community. The VHLM GM is your first friend in the league when you join. They set the tone, the culture, and the path forward for you in your VHL experience. A bad first impression, a negative or AWOL VHLM GM can turn a new member off the league for good. The VHLM GM also has to have been around long enough to get the culture of the community as a whole. A VHLM GM who is in their first calendar six-months might not know what goes on here, how we do things, how to navigate the people and the procedures, and just overall "get" the place. Your VHLM GM is your mentor, and how the mentor views and is viewed in the community is central to indoctrinating the new members with positive vibes and relationships to set them up for a long career in the VHL. First-gens are tied to their VHLM GM (everyone remembers their first) and so choosing those people wisely is really important.

 

I'll come out and say it: VHLM GM is the harder job to do. You're growing people and community members. You're like a parent, a role model, a leader. The VHL is more video-game like; the VHLM is more like a club. But you have to be a stand-up member of that club in order to model the club's rules, norms, ideas, ways of doing things. You need experience and expertise to be a VHLM GM. There's value in "learning alongside your members" as a greener GM, but there's way more value in knowing your way around the league.

 

VHLM GMs are incredibly important, and I disagree that a VHL position is a promotion from the M. They perform two totally different functions in the structure of our organization, and need to be chosen and supported as such. Ricer was an unbelievable VHLM GM, and I'm sure he'll bring a lot of his strengths in community building, mentoring, and overall engaging into the VHL - I don't think he'll be as good a VHL GM because of how perfectly he embodied the goals of the VHLM.

 

obligatory edit before I get eaten: Yes, VHL GMs care about their players too. Yes, I support IR and ADV because they are people people and cheerleaders and strong candidates for this. Yes, first-gens can gain entry into the club quickly and be good VHLM GMs. 

Edited March 2, 2021 by bigAL

[Devise 4,475]

For the sake of clarity and to clarify, it isn't that VHL GM jobs are specifically off limits for older members. The terminology used is probably what is causing confusion here.

 

When the GM application process became more involved there was a effort by many behind the scenes to see people who have not had as many cracks at GMing take over in the bigs. Given that a lot of veteran older members have GM'd some VHL clubs off/on for many seasons, it's not that much of a stretch to say given the leagues size that these members have had their fair chances at these roles. However it's important to note the distinction that this doesn't disqualify them from applying or earning these roles either. Just that it's more likely a newer face who hasn't had as much time in the bigs with a good resume is higher on, or makes the short list. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 2, 2021 by Devise

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[animal74 1,855]

Congrats to both of you! Good luck @Advantage and @InstantRockstar!

[Moon 597]

Congrats @InstantRockstarand @Advantage. Goodluck in the M

[Achilles 91]

Good luck guys! 

[UnknownMinion 728]

1 hour ago, Achilles said:

Good luck guys! 

This is an old thread fyi like one year ago

[Advantage 2,901]

On 10/14/2022 at 6:09 PM, Moon said:

Congrats @InstantRockstarand @Advantage. Goodluck in the M

Thanks man!

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Congrats @InstantRockstarand @Advantage. Goodluck in the M