Devise 4,475 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Advantage said: This has been on the books for a long time...this was just the first time we saw a significant amount of vocal league wide support for it. For real, this though. It was brought up in BoG a few times that this was not the first time we had this conversation. I don't recall the exact season, but when we moved to Playoff Livesims for the VHL to avoid potential conflicts of interest (I switched to live simming mid playoffs as GM of Toronto) the conversation did switch to if we should be live simming regular season, and VHLM for transparency reasons was brought up. At the time, the majority of the BoG/behind the scenes folks felt it was too much of a tack on that that adding simply to the VHL addressed the conflicts. Over the seasons since then, more and more people have expressed interest in seeing it switch to live sims all the time, including Gorlab himself. To suggest that this idea would only be taken over the edge because of causing league drama is super dismissive of the open channels that do exist, and have proven to exist evidenced by other league changes coming from community feedback. Us initiating this change despite the drama also shows that we aren't willing to let individual members hold league interests hostage. This change isn't about anyone looking right, or wrong, it's about what the league wanted to see done. Advantage, bigAL, Rayzor_7 and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory 1,915 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 why can't the BoG ever accept that sometimes people outside the BoG give good ideas "gorlab didn't invent this idea, we invented it 5 years ago but never implemented it until someone raised concern" lmfao diacope, Dil, a_Ferk and 3 others 1 3 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devise 4,475 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, rory said: why can't the BoG ever accept that sometimes people outside the BoG give good ideas Us: We just want to indicate that the league gave us some good ideas on this seasons ago and we totally ignored it and it festered and created unnecessary league drama so we want to rectify this issue so there isn't any unnecessary league drama. You: WHY DOESN'T THE BOG EVER TALK ABOUT OUR IDEAS?! Seriously. Show me where in any of our posts we indicate that we are taking "credit" for any idea here? ADV's distinction isn't about removing credit from the many in the league who not only advocated for this change recently, but for seasons. They clearly saw that this transparency issue would come up again and be worthy of change, guess what...it was. We agree! ADV's distinction is about the rigging accusations and the notion that any of this was a response to that. We were discussing the leagues ideas on this problem long before that thread drama, is the point. Rayzor_7 and Spartan 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 530 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogan 1,423 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Ok Viper 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,891 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, rory said: why can't the BoG ever accept that sometimes people outside the BoG give good ideas "gorlab didn't invent this idea, we invented it 5 years ago but never implemented it until someone raised concern" lmfao I literally just said that the leagues overwhelming support made the BOG and blue team listen. Me saying this was an idea 5 years ago doesn't reduce that since when we talked about it five years ago it was also due to community discussion. So no Gorlab didn't invent the idea, but yes I agree that he played a part in a widespread community agreement that this change needed to happen. As for your first point there isn't one member of the BOG or Blue that wouldn't admit a lot of good ideas start from outside the group. We will discuss and often expand on them but thats a very ill-informed opinion if thats actually how you see those two groups. Edited March 7, 2021 by Advantage Viper, Spartan and Rayzor_7 3 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho 917 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, rory said: why can't the BoG ever accept that sometimes people outside the BoG give good ideas "gorlab didn't invent this idea, we invented it 5 years ago but never implemented it until someone raised concern" lmfao This is possibly the stupidest interpretation of the announcement that could possibly have come out of the announcement. Are you intentionally missing the point? Literally nobody from Blue or BoG said it was their idea originally. This was a topic of conversation that dated back as far as the mid 40s and has apparently been brought up numerous times since. Trying to turn this into a weird BoG flex they were in no way making is incredibly dishonest. Eynhallow, Viper, Rayzor_7 and 7 others 3 4 2 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advantage 2,891 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 hour ago, gregreg said: Whatever you have to tell yourself It's a good change for the league and brings more transparency to the process and eliminates the hassle that Bek received from happening further. There was also a crazy amount of support from dozens of members so it wasn't just one "baby." That's what I tell myself. But hey I know what you are saying. Eynhallow 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.sniffuM 1,741 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I guess this is where I put my popcorn gif now diacope, Viper and Jubis 1 1 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 530 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, rory said: why can't the BoG ever accept that sometimes people outside the BoG give good ideas "gorlab didn't invent this idea, we invented it 5 years ago but never implemented it until someone raised concern" lmfao Not necessarily what I feel is happening. I will keep this short to prevent controversy from further expanding. I dont feel as if they are taking credit, nowhere have they said that. I feel if it is more as if they are saying "We understand this issue and we have thought about it before. Gorlab didn't think of it, but he brought it back to the surface." I feel as if it's more about the fact that it had already been in the question, rather than them taking credit. Please, anybody, correct me if I'm wrong. Rayzor_7, diacope and Advantage 2 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 530 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, .sniffuM said: I guess this is where I put my popcorn gif now Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Josh 1,665 Posted March 7, 2021 Commissioner Share Posted March 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Dil said: hold on, you're telling me @gorlab caused actual change? are pigs flying yet? You don't even go here. bigAL and Dil 1 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esso2264 774 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 fuck i came to late for the lineup sadge Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubis 1,348 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dil 1,760 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Josh said: You don't even go here. josh steals candy from babies diacope, rory and Viper 1 1 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan 4,402 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Esso2264 said: fuck i came to late for the lineup sadge no one made one tho Viper 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 5,119 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 This decision was rigged. Simon T wants it this way! Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-829927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling 1,997 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 You ain't nobody until you've been accused of riggin' diacope, solas, STZ and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-830218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorlab 4,321 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 sterling back to replace beav? diacope 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-830220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediocrepony 1,216 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 NEW NEWS: is simonT secretly controlling everything?????? confirmed??? 21 hours ago, Phil said: This decision was rigged. Simon T wants it this way diacope 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-830234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VHL Games 1,188 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, GrittyIsKing09 said: NEW NEWS: is simonT secretly controlling everything?????? confirmed??? mediocrepony, Patrik Tallinder and DoktorFunk 2 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/100253-the-one-about-simming/page/2/#findComment-830244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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