Claimed: The worst or most unlucky trades since S50. [1/2]

[hedgehog337 3,483]

 

*I just made a bad trade.*

 

 

A long time ago when I just became a Riga GM, I made this thread where VHL members were naming some bad trades that general managers were making. That thread came thanks to the infamous trade between Calgary and Helsinki. And what made me to do this thread? I guess nothing, I just was searching for more easy way how to make 24 TPE, nothing more. This thread is about bad or unlucky trades that happened since S50 (the off-season prior to that season isn't included in this article). By the way, this is only my opinion so if you feel offended by this thread, I don't care then.

 

 

QUE/SEA; S51 off-season

 

 

To  -

 

Thor Odinsson

 

To  - 

 

S52 COL 1st (Edwin Threencarnation)

S53 SEA 1st (Astrid Moon)

S53 SEA 2nd (Beaver Beaverton)

Bubba Nuck

 

 

BOOM HEADSHOT! This old meme perfectly describes what @BOOM pulled on December 21, 2016, but let's start from S51 when Seattle put up a good fight against Toronto in NA semi finals. The Bears lost that series, but the future was pretty bright with Podarok, Holik, Wolf, Petenis and Rodriguez. However, that wasn't enough to make a contender so this trade wasn't a surprise - maybe it was somewhat steep, but at the end Seattle got a talented and fast rising forward in Odinsson. So things were looking good for the Bears in S52...until Boom retired Thor. Before that, he was giving multiple hints in Seattle LR that he could retire, but I thought he isn't serious about that. But he did and that's the moment when everything fell apart for this team. This is a typical ''what could've been'' situation: they also lost Podarok in following season. Also, this trade is definitely unlucky (not bad) for @Banackock - at that time the trade was looking fine for both sides, but at the end, Seattle paid two valuable players + a decent bottom six player for a one-season wonder. And by valuable players I didn't mean only both goalies - the S52-54 drafts were pretty good, so these could've been different players too.

 

 

STO/QUE; S52 off-season

 

To :

 

S53 - Xander Finn - D

S54 COL 1st Round Pick (Vernon von Axelberry)

 

To :

 

S53 - John Locke - LW

S53 - SkateFast McChunky - RW

 

 

Adwyer almost killed Quebec. After sitting at the bottom of the NA conference for 2 seasons, Quebec was ready to make a splash. They decided to draft Xander Finn to bolster their defensive line with Jokinen, but soon he was traded to Stockholm as well as the S54 6th pick for two fellow draftees in Locke and Chunky. And like the aforementioned trade, this one was looking reasonable too - an active at that time Finn and a valuable pick vs an active commish (at that time, again) and a TPE whore (AT THAT TIME) in @FacePuncher. The things were looking good for the Wolfpack, well...until Adwyer decided that fuck everything and left the VHL with retiring both his players. After that, this trade become a win for Stockholm: basically, Quebec overpaid for a commish player who soon stopped to earn any TPE. Which makes it easier for Quebec is that Finn a.k.a. @Jericho went inactive with leaving just an okay player for the VHL and Locke is a pure raw scoring machine even with his 447 TPE who helped his team to earn the first Continental Cup since S35. But still, it's an overpayment for one player. Also, this is an unlucky trade for @Frank.

 

 

QUE/DAV; S52 off-season

 

To  : 

 

Apollo Skye

 

To  : 

 

S53 Tor 2nd (Marty McDouglas)

S53 Sea 2nd (Beaver Beaverton)

 

Was this even that bad? I'm sorry @Gooningitup, but I still think that Frank should've paid more. @Tagger made valid counter arguments against my opinion in my aforementioned thread: every contending team but Quebec already had a goalie and Skye's contract was expiring by that time. However, there is one thing that makes this trade a win for Quebec: @Velevra is an extremely loyal member who already showed that when he never left Stockholm with von Karma until he was traded to Quebec in his last career season. So there were absolutely no chances he would have said no to Frank. I think Goon needed to pull this fact to the Wolfpack's GM and try to get some more useful picks. At the end, Davos only got two useless fillers for a future MVP even if his contract was over. I think this trade is hard to judge, but I still don't fell right about it.

 

 

CGY/HSK; S52 off-season

 

To :

 

Theo Axelsson

Black Velvet

S54 CGY 1st (Torstein Ironside)

 

To :

 

Jacob

 

 

THAT TRADE WON HELSINKI TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! And here's our infamous trade I was talking about. Just look at that, three valuable players in exchange of a promising goalie. At the first glance, this is a horrible trade for Calgary, but we need to take into account that Velvet's contract expired in after S52 and I think @Higgins wouldn't re-signed with the Wranglers anyway. But still, two valuable players vs a promising goalie in Jacob...it doesn't makes things much better. @Kesler tried to convince us that the S54 draft was nothing special and there were only two good goalies: Ironside and King. The hard truth was that draft was very good by VHL standarts and what's more ironic, King fell out to the 9th pick which was owned...by Calgary. So no matter what, this trade was bad for Calgary and Kesler shouldn't paid an extra first to Helsinki.

 

 

RIG/SEA; S53 off-season

 

 

To :

 

S54 RIG 1st (Aleksei Fedorov)

 

To : 

 

Guntis Petenis

Rebuild...or compete...what the fuck is going on? This trade was under discussion way before the off-season happened. Shortly after Podarok retired, Banackock decided that it makes no sense to make another try in S54 and he would much rather have some picks. Why that trade wasn't good for Riga? Well, first of all the Reign was supposed to rebuild and not bringing some S50 sub-500 TPE defenseman who had a mediocre build by that time. And how about trading a sub-500 TPE player for a much younger and active def in Fedorov? So if we take away that surprising performance from Guntis and three very prestigue awards, this trade wasn't the best choice for my team. Not horrible, but not good either. It just brought some fun for me, but I'm not sure if I had a chance to make a contender by S56 if not one lucky trade (I'll mention about this later) and a steal in Slava Aleksei.

 

 

CGY/COL; S54 off-season

 

To :

 

S55 COL 1st (Felix Savard)

 

To: 

 

 

S55 NYA 1st (Xavier Laflamme)

S56 CGY 1st (Matthieu Bourdon)

 

Getting multiple bottom five first round picks tactic doesn't always help. I guess this was the exact tactic from now ex-banned-GM @Gudnason and while he wasn't very wrong in this one, but giving up the first pick for that? That was a no-no for Cologne. I mean. both Laflamme and Bourdon are somewhat decent depth players, but one Felix Savard is much better than these two combined and the fact that Punk gave up the first pick for two much lower ones makes this trade a dubious for the Express.

 

 

RIG/COL; S55

 

To :

 

Markus King

 

To :

 

S56 QUE 1st (Aeschylus Jigglejawns CXXXVIII)

S56 SEA 2nd (Augustus Gloop)

 

Sometimes I win too. I already mentioned this trade in another article when I was analysing the RIG/SEA trade. All things started when @Kendrick showed his displeasure about Punk's job and the things were only worse when Cologne's GM decided to bring von Axelberry via trade. I was hesitant to pull the trade when he made an offer for the first time, but after the draft I realized this is my chance to make my rebuild much easier for a cheap price. So I PM'ed Punk once again and he had two option for me: giving up a RIG 1st and a lower second round pick or lower first-higher second picks. Well, the answer was obvious - I gave up another inactive Feinstein's player and a semi-active at best Evryday for a stud goalie who helped and still helps us on chansing the Continental Cup. So yes, another bad trade for the German team.

 

 

RIG/HEL; S55 off-season

 

To :

 

S57 HSK 1st (Jeff Gow)

 

To :

 

Rudi Ying

 

Sometimes the risk doesn't pays off. Rudi Ying was supposed to be the Reign's franchise player, but all things went wrong from the start. He decided to sign only a one-season contract and his LR presence wasn't the best either - a trolling job about ''maybe I will leave the team! or not?'' didn't make things more comfortable for me. I still was trying to re-sign Rudi, but then mentioned about an interest from Higgins - I assume he knew about some problems in Riga and that Punk doesn't gets along with Kendrick so he made me know he's ready to take a chance on the Chinese center. Hippie also agreed to change the location and then this trade happened. At the end, this trade doesn't looks very good for Helsinki - a bottom six forward for two seasons in exchange of more safe pick and more promising pick in Jeff Gow. It doesn't means this trade was bad for Higgins: he just took a risk and it didn't really pay off.

 

 

 

HEL/COL; S55 off-season

 

To :

 

S56 COL 1st (Ay Ay Ron)

 

To

 

S56 HSK 1st (Mr.Shakedown)

S57 DAV 1st (Ko Kane)

S58 HSK 1st (7th pick at most in a mediocre draft)

 

Remember? A lottery pick > multiple low firsts. That is why Cologne had a problem with the rebuild. Punk once again followed his tactic and once again he failed. Just look at that: a TPE whore @boubabi vs an inactive Jericho's second player a good S57 draftee and some of 7th, 9th or 10th pick in the S58 draft. And as I said earlier, the S58 draft is about to be medicore, without a really interesting draftee at the 7th-10th pick range. Yes, the 9th pick in the last draft could have brought a good young player to the Express, but that is not enough to salvage the S56 second pick. It basically gave Helsinki another valuable and young player to prolong their contending period for one good draftee. Not good for Cologne. And yes, I know @ADV turned that pick into Shawn Brodeur, but that came from new GM. And one more thing - this is another trade that wasn't horrible, just dubious.

 

 

STO/DAV; S55 off-season

 

To :

 

mist4ke

 

To :

 

Rhett DeGrath

 

Read the rule first... At the first glance, this trade is weird and unnecessary for Stockholm. Like, trading a MVP goalie for just an okay mist4ke who only had one good season in a rebuilding Seattle so far. However, this was supposed to be a part 1 of this trade: @Smarch promissed to @Bushito that the later GM will also get a Davos S59 1st pick which made it a ''future consideration'' trade (or multi-part). The problem was that Smarch left the VHL in midway of the S56, but even the bigger problem was this type of trade wasn't and still isn't allowed in this league. The new Davos GM @Tyler didn't know that and actually gave his S59 first, like Smarch said he was going to do, but the league management put a stop hammer on this trade simply because it isn't allowed. So basically Stockholm's GM tradeed an MVP goalie for an okay goalie (like I said earlier) who already was on his prime. Perhaps Bushito didn't know about the multi-part trade rule, but at the end mist4ke didn't even become a Stockholm's goalie as he wasn't even needed during this team's rebuild period. A misstep by Bushito here.

 

 

I'll finish with this trade as I will hit 2000 words soon and I think there's no bad or unlucky trade took place after the last mentioned. Do you disagree with me and you think these trades weren't bad at all? As I said, this is only my opinion so I don't care. As long as I'm getting 24 total TPE, I'm fine.

 

 

That's it and I'm out.

 

6x4=24 TPE goes to Krīgars.

 

Edited November 12, 2017 by hedgehog337

[Kendrick 4,741]

So basically punk was the worst GM since...Julien?

[TheLastOlympian07 2,388]

31 minutes ago, Kendrick said:

So basically punk was the worst GM since...Julien?

i think punk was the worst GM in history. even Julien was better

[Banackock 8,042]

Yeah, mine was very unlucky and has to be a decent regret. Not so much regret, but fuck.  

[boubabi 4,725]

You butchered my name

[hedgehog337 3,483]

2 minutes ago, boubabi said:

You butchered my name

 

ayyyyyyyye, what a shame

[Kesler 1,514]

yw titanics

[Gooningitup 1,290]

I can only say this. Well a bad trade, and i knew it at the time i was happy to do it. Velvera wasnt very active, and Davos last few draft picks had busted. Which woulda put him 5 seasons in before wed likely even compete. So i did what was best for the member, not my organization. And moved him, i was still trying to really figure out the whole GM thing. Now hes gone on to be one of the best goalies in the league, and im extremely happy for him.

 

My goal when i was GM was to do best for my players, and i think outside of streetlight. Who had me at the end i can say i made my players happy. Despite all the bullshit i took from outside 

[Kendrick 4,741]

1 minute ago, Gooningitup said:

I can only say this. Well a bad trade, and i knew it at the time i was happy to do it. Velvera wasnt very active, and Davos last few draft picks had busted. Which woulda put him 5 seasons in before wed likely even compete. So i did what was best for the member, not my organization. And moved him, i was still trying to really figure out the whole GM thing. Now hes gone on to be one of the best goalies in the league, and im extremely happy for him.

 

My goal when i was GM was to do best for my players, and i think outside of streetlight. Who had me at the end i can say i made my players happy. Despite all the bullshit i took from outside 

You mean the claims of inactivity, which wasn't bullshit but somewhat justified.

[eaglesfan036 4,598]

@Kesler should be up here twice actually.

 

That Jacob trade was horrible, and there was also a time many seasons back when he traded a 2nd round pick for a 0 tpe player.......

[Frank 5,196]

That Calgary/Helsinki trade probably should of been rejected by the blue team. 

[Kesler 1,514]

2 hours ago, Bring Back Chat said:

@Kesler should be up here twice actually.

 

That Jacob trade was horrible, and there was also a time many seasons back when he traded a 2nd round pick for a 0 tpe player.......

h8er

[Kendrick 4,741]

2 hours ago, Bring Back Chat said:

@Kesler should be up here twice actually.

 

That Jacob trade was horrible, and there was also a time many seasons back when he traded a 2nd round pick for a 0 tpe player.......

Or what about your horrible trade trading King out

[hedgehog337 3,483]

11 hours ago, Gooningitup said:

Velvera wasnt very active,

 

He never was very active btw.

 

11 hours ago, Gooningitup said:

So i did what was best for the member, not my organization.

 

That's more like VHLM style where you need to make a member happy for keeping him in this league. 

 

I still think you should have waited more and wait for Frank's reaction and then make a trade that you actually did, if there was absolutely no chance for getting useful picks. Anyway, good for Davos they managed to compete soon and only an incident didn't allow them to have a dynasty, so oh well.

[eaglesfan036 4,598]

9 hours ago, Kendrick said:

Or what about your horrible trade trading King out

The value was horrible considering you make great players and I didn't get much back, but 2nd players just messed too much with he goalie market as there's just tons of goalies now

[Kendrick 4,741]

6 hours ago, Bring Back Chat said:

The value was horrible considering you make great players and I didn't get much back, but 2nd players just messed too much with he goalie market as there's just tons of goalies now

Excuses. You fucked up

[hedgehog337 3,483]

13 minutes ago, Kendrick said:

Excuses. You fucked up

 

It still was better than what did Anderson. @Will's second player still probably had some promise at that time. Well, not now.

Edited November 13, 2017 by hedgehog337

[Frank 5,196]

42 minutes ago, Kendrick said:

Excuses. You fucked up

What GM doesn't though?

[Kendrick 4,741]

20 minutes ago, Frank said:

What GM doesn't though?

Every GM does. Just saying he fucked up, because he is quick to point out other GM's fuck ups haha

[eaglesfan036 4,598]

1 hour ago, Kendrick said:

Every GM does. Just saying he fucked up, because he is quick to point out other GM's fuck ups haha

it wasn't a good trade, but it was not franchise altering like the Jacob trade, or plain stupidity like trading for a 0 tpe player. 

[Da Trifecta 1,896]

20 hours ago, Frank said:

That Calgary/Helsinki trade probably should of been rejected by the blue team. 

 

[diamond_ace 3,112]

On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 4:43 PM, TheLastOlympian07 said:

i think punk was the worst GM in history. even Julien was better

Nickbarr.

[BOOM 8,739]

Ryan Power...that guy was horrible!

[Tagger 2,722]

On 11/12/2017 at 7:29 PM, hedgehog337 said:

 

Was this even that bad? I'm sorry @Gooningitup, but I still think that Frank should've paid more. @Tagger made valid counter arguments against my opinion in my aforementioned thread:

 

Chat shit get Tagged! 

 

Shame my Bobby Digital trade missed the cutoff by a season, that was an unfortunate one for Davos. 

[TheLastOlympian07 2,388]

On 11/12/2017 at 5:54 PM, Frank said:

That Calgary/Helsinki trade probably should of been rejected by the blue team. 

but that trade included a blue team and said blue team was the GM who benefited from it so would it really have been rejected?