Quik 4,113 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 So after last night's sim results, I'm thinking of nuking this season and re-starting with different starting attributes (20 vs. 40 for skaters, 45 instead of 35 for goalies, new limits to prevent the brokenness of the low passing/high scoring meta). This is what I'm thinking for the next iteration of rosters But I'll leave the decision to the GMs. Would you rather carry on as planned, or finish the season tonight (full sim of regular season and playoffs), and re-start tomorrow? Spoiler @Quik @.sniffuM @Nykonax @Jbeezy76 @Rayzor_7 @Esso2264 @McWolf @tfong @twists @ContinentalCup036 @Zetterberg @fonziGG @Doomsday @DoktorFunk @hedgehog337 @Mike @Seabass @Spartan @bigAL @studentized @ahockeyguy @OrbitingDeath @rjfryman @diacope @Greg_Di @Peace @Bacon @DollarAndADream @Devise @a_Ferk @Anthony Matthews @Grant Jbeezy76 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
McWolf 3,115 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I mean, we knew it would be broken anyway. There are no better version of STHS, they are all broken in their own way. Do Season 2 differently, but I'd carry on as planned for this one. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nykonax 1,564 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 can still run the meta with the rules you put in place, just everyone gonna go 75/70 sc and 60/55 pa, will still work. Scoring will be much lower though. I don't really care how this plays out. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 As someone who defeated @Doomsday 36-0, I vote continue as planned. I am enjoying this Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik 4,113 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Nykonax said: can still run the meta with the rules you put in place, just everyone gonna go 75/70 sc and 60/55 pa, will still work. Scoring will be much lower though. I don't really care how this plays out. Well, yeah, there's still going to be builds in that vein, but with goalies being stronger and scorers being weaker, we can actually run something closer to a real sim with higher shot totals and penalties (literally everything is down between 1-5ish right now in the sliders, out of 99). Could also limit AP to 250 per skater, and 250 or 300 for goalies. Will it completely solve the meta? Probably not, I'd assume the highest scorers will still be the ones at 75/60 and 70/55, but it will also create a bit more balance in it. Jbeezy76 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 How messed up is it that increasing an attribute (passing) is a negative lol Quik 1 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahockeyguy 110 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 My team is 3-8, so you might think I'd want a do-over. And it would be fun to try it again. But I can always try again next season! So I'm cool with finishing it out, unless it's going to be a bad experience for everyone. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace 1,542 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, ContinentalCup036 said: How messed up is it that increasing an attribute (passing) is a negative lol Actually I'm testing this out. Both if my 90 PA players have 10+ assists and 0 goals. My forward lines are supposed to be.. SNP - PLY - SNP SNP - PLY - SNP Turned out similar so far. Defensive pairings are are just whatever. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik 4,113 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Peace said: Actually I'm testing this out. Both if my 90 PA players have 10+ assists and 0 goals. My forward lines are supposed to be.. SNP - PLY - SNP SNP - PLY - SNP Turned out similar so far. Defensive pairings are are just whatever. Yeah, you can see the same thing with the Baileys on my team. Kronos has 2/15 and Matt has 12/5. I think it's more a macro scale when an entire team runs the meta, it's pretty broken at that point. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace 1,542 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Quik said: Yeah, you can see the same thing with the Baileys on my team. Kronos has 2/15 and Matt has 12/5. I think it's more a macro scale when an entire team runs the meta, it's pretty broken at that point. Which kinda supports SHL and their claim sadly. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik 4,113 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Peace said: Which kinda supports SHL and their claim sadly. Not really, this is a different version of the sim than we use for the league. Even next season, if I do end up going to our engine, it'll be different sliders. The team that "broke" the SHL also won the following season, and even in their broken season, did worse than the best teams have done here without that meta (something like a .665% vs teams that have gone >70% here). Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nykonax 1,564 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Quik said: The team that "broke" the SHL also won the following season, and even in their broken season, did worse than the best teams have done here without that meta (something like a .665% vs teams that have gone >70% here). well i mean shl is a whole different league style, more teams and more players. They also put in a whole bunch of rules that season once the exploit was found, like pa has to be within 15-20 of scoring. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quik 4,113 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 Just now, Nykonax said: well i mean shl is a whole different league style, more teams and more players. They also put in a whole bunch of rules that season once the exploit was found, like pa has to be within 15-20 of scoring. Yeah, I'm just saying the meta doesn't really apply to the VHL as much. Even looking at the top scorers in the league, I don't think there were any top 10 last season with under 60-70 passing. Also, I think what I'll do with this season is sim every day, rather than every other day, then for S2, change the engine to 1.0 or 1.5 with different sliders than the league, and use the lower builds as well. eaglesfan036 and Nykonax 2 Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,660 Posted May 20, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 20, 2020 I wanted to make a bruiser team that would suffocate the other team offense but that doesn't seem the case lol. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan036 4,603 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Peace said: Which kinda supports SHL and their claim sadly. what is the SHL claim? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diacope 1,696 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Finish it and re-distribute Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahockeyguy 110 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 hours ago, ContinentalCup036 said: what is the SHL claim? I am a new guy, but from what I read, SHL moved to FHM6 because one team had a ~67% winning percentage one season, ostensibly because they figured out a perfect build for all their players to win all the time. The claim from this is basically that STHS is broken and FHM6 would be the way to go, engine-wise. This also has apparently been highly controversial, even on the SHL side, before they implemented it. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Baozi 1,660 Posted May 20, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 20, 2020 Isn't SHL broken now on FHM6 though because there is no variability? Best players are always the best and there is no chance at upsets? Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream 3,356 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I don't think we need to really change the whole league. I mean, Dooms got destroyed because his team was all 40s. Maybe just make sure everyone's team is updated, then restart it. Or continue as it is with teams updated. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioner Beketov 9,041 Posted May 21, 2020 Commissioner Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 hours ago, tfong said: Isn't SHL broken now on FHM6 though because there is no variability? Best players are always the best and there is no chance at upsets? It’s almost as if there’s no such thing as a perfect engine and they all inevitably have flaws. Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Matthews 65 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) I might lead the league in 1 goal games, or at least 1-0 scores had a stretch of 5 in row Edited May 21, 2020 by Anthony Matthews Link to comment https://vhlforum.com/topic/82693-sov2-huh/#findComment-744975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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