S63 Draft Class Rankings Week Six + MOCK DRAFT

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Overall #	Up/Down	Positional #	Up/Down	Name	Position	TPE	VHLM Team	Nationality	Username
1	Up 1	1	Up 1	Ryan Kastelic	D	252	OTT	SVN	Enorama
2	Down 1	2	Down 1	Tzuyu	D	240	HFX	TWN	Tfong
3	-	1	-	Julian Borwinn	LW	225	LVA	CAN	Jubo07
4	-	3	-	Joseph McWolf	D	213	OTT	ENG	McWolf
5	-	1	-	Scott Shawinganen	C	191	LVA	CAN	Cornflakers
6	-	4	-	Sidney Crosby	D	172	LVA	USA	SidTheKid87
7	Up 1	1	Up 1	Alexander Pepper	G	170	LVA	KOR	sonnet
8	Down 1	2	Down 1	Cole Mertz	G	168	HFX	USA	ColeMrtz211
9	-	2	-	Jose Gonzalez	LW	166	LVA	USA	Jose Gonzalez
10	Up 1	1	-	Dan Wilinsky	RW	157	OTT	CAN	Oilmandan
11	Down 1	2	-	Anthony Dabarno	C	156	HFX	CAN	LordTony
T12	Up 1	T3	-	Chance Matthews	C	139	OTT	USA	DaftRaincloud
T12	Up 4	T3	Up 1	Nathan MacKinnon	C	139	HFX	CAN	Bagelbitesisbae
14	Down 1	3	-	Chace Trepanier	LW	129	OTT	CAN	ChaceT
15	Up 2	2	Up 1	Vaydar Odinsson	RW	126	OTT	NOR	BOOM
16	Down 4	3	-	Tyler Smith	G	125	HFX	USA	DrHexDex
17	Up 1	5	-	Mountain Thunderfist	D	120	LVA	?	AdamEss
18	Up 1	3	Up 1	Kisshan Shan	RW	118	OSL	RUS	Kisshan
19	Up 1	4	Up 1	Jorgon Weyed	RW	115	LVA	JAM	Joubo
20	Down 5	5	Down 3	Nikita Flipachyev	RW	114	HFX	RUS	Arayvenn
21	Up 1	6	-	Joey Boucher	RW	110	LVA	CAN	joeyboucher1
22	Down 1	6	-	James Lombardi	D	100	LVA	ITA	Nymets5
T23	Up 12	7	Up 3	Jesse Wilson	D	97	OTT	CAN	monkeywrench15
T23	Up 7	7	Up 2	Rylan Pearce	RW	97	HFX	CAN	Peace
25	Up 7	4	-	Rhett Stoffiday	G	96	YUK	USA	Pierogituxedo
26	-	8	-	Toby Fitzgerald	D	84	HFX	CAN	JohnnyT_77
27	-	8	-	Wlodzimierz Zajaczkowski	RW	81	SASK	POL	nicolas01
T28	Down 3	4	-	Athanasios Andrianopoulos	LW	80	YUK	GRC	803
T28	Down 6	9	Down 3	Jessy Thomas	RW	80	LVA	CAN	jtww
30	Down 6	9	Down 2	Burnt Toast	D	76	SASK	CAN	Toast
31	Down 4	5	-	King Gow	LW	70	HFX	USA	eaglesfan036
32	Down 3	10	Down 1	Gregor Rasputinov	D	68	OTT	RUS	Joobles
33	Down 3	5	-	Theodore Gauthier	C	61	YUK	CAN	Frank
34	Down 2	6	-	Anderson LaVey	LW	60	SASK	USA	Doomzday
35	Down 3	5	-	Johannes Benoit	G	59		CAN	PremiumFunk
T36	Down 1	10	-	Anssi Koivuhaka	RW	53		FIN	Pelimies
T36	Down 1	11	Down 1	Robert Renner	D	53	OTT	USA	Tacocat
38	-	12	-	Juri Rykonen	D	50	HFX	FIN	Rykonen
39	-	6	-	Chris F.	C	48	SASK	CAN	ChrisF
40	-	7	-	Mike Lavalee	C	47	YUK	CAN	CB204
41	Up 2	7	-	Randoms	LW	46	OTT	LVA	hedgehog337
42	Down 1	11	-	Zhang Shou Tian	RW	42	YUK	CHN	Shou Tian
43	Down 1	12	-	Rzerk	RW	40	OTT	CAN	Rzerk
44	NEW	6	NEW	Fizz	G	39	YUK	CAN	Fizzwidget
45	Down 1	13	-	Jesse Sublime	D	35	YUK	CAN	Sublime
T46	Down 1	T8	-	Bilal Syed	LW	34	SASK	CAN	CanucksHD
T46	NEW	T8	NEW	Lars Tommernes	LW	34	HFX	ISR	Flare
T48	Down 2	T10	Down 1	Paris Papadakis	LW	32	YUK	CAN	Rosco
T48	Down 2	T10	Down 1	Vander Peng	LW	32		USA	Dijital
				Aaron Butcher	LW	30	HFX	USA	devilsfan35
				Adam Werynski	C	30		USA	KnucklePuckAdam
				Ajay Minhas	D	30		CAN	brownboy102
				Alex Schmidt	G	30		CAN	Schmidt
				Andreas Bergkvist	G	30	OSL	USA	Foehammer
				Andrew McDade	D	30		USA	DurdenBrandSoup
				Anton Jokelainen	RW	30		FIN	mjrv21
				Beckett London	D	30		USA	bdlondon
				Bernard Bernardov	D	30		RUS	Rad Russian
				Bobby Larkin	LW	30	OSL	USA	DickRobbins
				Chris Jonah	G	30		CAN	Jonah38
				Conor Scott	G	30		CAN	ViIlains
				Craig Kost	D	30		USA	Tigerteeo
				Dana Piebird	C	30		USA	Dude
				David Lance	D	30		CAN	Nelson
				Donald J Wafer	RW	30		USA	DonaldJWafer
				Edwin Bergstrand	C	30		SWE	FuzzyLeeroy
				Ethan Sawatzky	C	30	SASK	CAN	Greenert11
				Finn Schaefer	D	30	OSL	GER	SupaSta
				Frenchie French	LW	30		CAN	Galchenyuk_Is_God
				Frenezo	D	30		USA	Sook
				Harrison MacDuff	RW	30		CAN	Pauly51
				Ho-Train	RW	30	LVA	?	Josh Ho-Train
				Hyuk-Kyu Kim	RW	30		KOR	Deft
				Ian Drake	RW	30	LVA	USA	Claust
				J.P Desjardin	RW	30	YUK	CAN	Mike_Houle
				Jace Stravinsky	G	30		USA	Scorpio
				James Wolf	D	30		USA	Ventsan
				Jeremy Myalls	D	30	HFX	CAN	Sllaym
				Jerramy	RW	30		CAN	Jerramy
				Jesus Christ	G	30		JPN	KyleS56
				Joe Bronie	RW	30		USA	colton14
				Johnny	RW	30		CAN	RealJohny211
				John McCan	RW	30		CAN	McCan
				John Robertson	C	30		CAN	JR0B13
				Johnson Johnston	RW	30		USA	libbyfanaccount
				Justin Graves	C	30		CAN	Gravyncarrots
				Justin Recker	RW	30		USA	Reckasaur
				Keywi Miles	C	30		CAN	Keywi
					LW	30		CAN
				Kyle Desjardins	G	30	SASK	CAN	Desjar
				Magnus Backlund	D	30	SASK	SWE	T65
				Marcus Ruggiero	LW	30	YUK	CAN	Ruggiero10
				Matt Hart	LW	30		CAN	mhart97
				Max Hosafros	LW	30		USA	madmonstermax
				Nick Blagden	RW	30		CAN	Nick Blagden
				Nick Ward	RW	30	YUK	CAN	SirRupertBarnes
				Potato	G	30	HFX	?	Potato
				Prescott Triomphe	D	30		CAN	PaintingItOrange
				Radovan Svejkovsky	LW	30	YUK	SVK	UltraMick
				Rick Slambone	D	30		CAN	Drob127
				Riku Rantala	G	30		FIN	RickRandles
				Rob	RW	30		USA	Flyershockey90
				Russell Jerome	D	30		CAN	Russell Jerome
				Ryan Cruise	D	30		USA	Steve Razyn
				Ryan Dodds	D	30	SASK	USA	RJHockey21
				Sebastian Dietz	G	30		USA	Bazmandoo22
				Steve DeMatteo	C	30		USA	Nyr1994
				Steven Hovden	RW	30		NOR	Steveziedoesit
				Ted Thomas	G	30		USA	DBCrumpets
				Toshinaga Akutsu	D	30		JPN	toshimann
				Trjegen Pisz	C	30		CZE	JaacTree
				Victor	G	30	YUK	USA	Zetna
				White Goodman	RW	30		USA	Tniz15

 

 

1 – Helsinki Titans

Ryan Kastelic – D – 252 TPE

Last Mock: Ryan Kastelic

 

When I did my last mock, Kastelic was the number two player in TPE, behind Tzuyu by 14 TPE. Two weeks later, Kastelic now leads the league in TPE and is now 12 TPE ahead of Tzuyu. With two donation doubles weeks to spend in the future as well, there’s no reason to believe that Kastelic won’t be quite some way over 300 TPE by the start of Season 63 and in turn become a huge contributor for the rebuilding Titans right off the bat.

 

2 – New York Americans

Julian Borwinn – LW – 225 TPE

Last Mock: Julian Borwinn

 

So in my last mock, the Toronto Legion were occupying this position in the draft and the obvious pick for them was the forward they needed to add good service alongside Aksel McKnight and Jake Davis. Now though the team occupying the number two slot is the New York Americans and, while obviously it’s complete random based on the lottery as to whether they get that pick, we’ll have them here for sake of making things easier to write, and we’ll have Americans take the same player Legion would have. Borwinn has been earning the cap every week and has an additional advantage over McWolf in that he's got two recruits who look very good to make the 200 TPE barrier, which will give him even more TPE.

 

3 – Toronto Legion

Joseph McWolf – D – 213 TPE

Last Mock: Joseph McWolf

 

So as the Legion are set up right now, this doesn’t really make much sense as they already have two very good defensemen in Sebastien Ironside and Robert Malenko. However, there’s a couple of reasons why I believe that this will be the pick made if the draft goes in this manner. 1) You don’t turn down a 12 TPE per week stud like McWolf when he falls to you and 2) I presume with this selection, Ironside will move to forward to solve the team’s problem at that position.

 

4 – Riga Reign

Tzuyu – D – 240 TPE

Last Mock: Tzuyu

 

Since my last mock, the Riga Reign and the Seattle Bears have swapped places in the standings thanks partially to the Bears bringing in Jack Shepherd from the Helsinki Titans. Originally I had Tzuyu going in this position to the Bears and, while I feel like Crosby has the potential to be a better defenseman than Tzuyu in a few seasons time, I feel like the Reign will look at the fact that Tzuyu already has quite a bit more TPE than Dylan Nguyen (the defenseman they selected with the seventh overall selection last season who disappointingly has dropped off his early TPE earning pace) and realise that they’re a situation where, if they want to compete next season, they’re going to need a better defenseman than Nguyen on the first line, something Tzuyu can provide to the Reign from the get-go.

 

5 – Seattle Bears

Sidney Crosby – D – 172 TPE

Last Mock: Sidney Crosby

 

The Bears needs defense, simple as that. The TPE count would suggest Shawinganen, but with Seattle already having Shepherd and Smirnov occupying that position, it’s not one that they need to address immediately and, when their next pick comes around, there will be many more center options to select from than defensemen. Instead, they grab the next best player on the board in Crosby, who will have the TPE to immediately jump into the VHL and help the Bears playoff push.

 

6 – New York Americans (From Davos)

Scott Shawinganen – C – 191 TPE

Last Mock: Scott Shawinganen

 

7 – New York Americans (From Quebec City)

Jose Gonzalez – LW – 166 TPE

Last Mock: Jose Gonzalez

 

The duo that I had picked here in the last mock are still the same ones that I have slated to go here. Scott Shawinganen looks set to skip the VHLM Draft altogether thanks to his quick earning rate and will no doubt be a big contributor on the front line alongside fellow Las Vegas Aces alumni Borwinn and Jose Gonzalez. It looks extremely likely that Gonzalez will also have a potential eight-season career in the pros at his current TPE level and allows New York a front-line that could well be the first-gens answer to the already super-productive Cast-Preencarnacion-Twinger front line of Riga.

 

8 – Calgary Wranglers

Dan Wilinsky – RW – 157 TPE

Last Mock: Dan Wilinsky

 

When I first had Wilinsky slated at number eight, it may have been seen as a bit of a debatable selection given that Wilinsky was among a group of four forwards who were all within one TPE of each other. Since then though, Wilinsky has gone on to affirm the reasons as to why I had him pegged at eighth overall and has gone on to separate from all of them (his nearest competitor of the three he was originally amongst is now 18 TPE behind him). Wilinsky could well have enough TPE to make the VHL right away by right and even if he didn’t, he would likely be brought up anyway by the Wranglers to fill the hole that the retirement of winger Niko Bogdanovic will create.

 

9 – Seattle Bears (From Helsinki)

Anthony Dabarno – C – 156 TPE

Last Mock: Chance Matthews

 

While I mentioned above that the Bears do not necessarily need a center right at this moment, Shepherd only has one more year left in him after this season, so it is a position that the Bears will want to make sure is covered for their playoff pushes after Shepherd leaves the team. It also helps that the best forward on the board is also a center. Dabarno moves up a position in my mock (Funnily enough the first change of the mock so far outside of where team’s have drafted) and might well be able to provide Seattle forward depth for Seattle in S63 before becoming a great 2^nd option to Smirnov at center from Season 64 onwards.

 

10 – New York Americans

Nathan MacKinnon – C – 139 TPE

Last Mock: Anthony Dabarno

 

This pick isn’t really a great position for New York to be drafting to address their defenseman need as things stand right now (If Jesse Wilson continues his great earning pace, than he will definitely be an option to consider here down the line), so New York just continue to build what is already a great young forward core by adding Nathan MacKinnon to the fray. MacKinnon has been earning the full capped 12 TPE the last three weeks and shows no sign of slowing down, making him an excellent choice here and potentially a player who could wind up being taken even earlier in this draft.

 

11 – Toronto Legion

Vaydar Odinsson – RW – 126 TPE

Last Mock: Chace Trepanier

 

I originally had Odinsson down for the first pick of the third round, but the last few weeks since then could be titled “The Return of the Tittymaster”, as Odinsson been earning a lot of TPE since the last mock draft, earning at least 10 capped TPE in the last three weeks. As a result he has climbed up six positions in this mock draft and grants the Legion another forward that they need to boost their depth at that position.

 

12 – Riga Reign

Kisshan Shan – RW – 118 TPE

Last Mock: Nikita Flipachyev

 

Not only does this selection signal the first instance of a player who I’d originally not included in my mock draft being selected, but also includes the first instance of a player I selected who has now dropped out of the mock draft altogether. While I had Flipachyev going in here, written in the description was the caveat that this would only be if he returned to the site from his brief absence and got back into earning TPE, but unfortunately his absence has continued and, while if he were to come back he still has a very solid base from which he can build off of, you can’t justify drafting a player in the first three rounds of this draft who hasn’t earned TPE in the last three weeks. If he were to come back though, that could change this draft quite a bit.

 

One other player though whose changed this draft quite a lot is Kisshan Shan, who has earned an incredible 68 TPE in the two weeks since my last mock draft, and will only go on to earn even more given that he still has his 10 TPE mid-season PT bonus to be added next PT week! Shan may not make the VHL right away (but if he does, that’s just an added bonus for the Riga Reign), but he’ll be a very good replacement for the inactive Ivan Morosov and Lavar Ball further down the line.

 

13 – Helsinki Titans (From Seattle)

Alexander Pepper – G – 170 TPE

Last Mock: Nathan MacKinnon

 

With the last mock draft, there was no Titans pick after their first overall one until the third round, but then the Helsinki Titans traded Jack Shepherd to the Bears and acquired both this pick and a third round selection later on in the same draft along with a third rounder in the next draft. Now though, this means that the Titans can go ahead and pick their choice of goalie ahead of the Davos Dynamo, and in this situation, given that Pepper is going to have the much better Achievement Tracker performance, I think they go with the current Vegas goalie.

 

14 – Davos Dynamo

Cole Mertz – G – 168 TPE

Last Mock: Cole Mertz

 

The Dynamo have now traded away their two third round selections they had in their possession, so this is their only pick in the top three rounds, and they make it their long-term solution to their goalie situation in Cole Mertz. While Mertz is obviously well on his way to making the VHL right away where he’d serve as a number 2 to Shawn Brodeur, he actually has the earning capabilities to have a greater TPE count than the rapidly regressing Brodeur once Season 54 arrives, meaning should Davos try to make one last push in Season 64, they’ll have a better goalie to help them get it. If they do decide to rebuild for S64 though, Mertz give the Dynamo a great piece to build up from though and guarantees that once they get back from their next rebuild, they’ll have a championship-level goalie minding the net.

 

15 – Quebec City Meute

Chance Matthews – C – 139 TPE

Last Mock: Jorgon Weyed

 

Matthews has fallen quite a bit in this mock as he’s gone from being the first pick of the second round to the seventh pick in the second round. He’s certainly not doing anything bad, he holds a role on the VHLM mag team and continues to earn a consistent amount of TPE each week, but it’s just that the players around him are earning much more TPE per week, which limits the appeal of taking Matthews as high as he was once slated. If he got back to doing short 5 minute podcasts to boost him up with 3 TPE per week though, his stock may rise back close to where it was.

 

16 – Riga Reign (From Calgary)

Jorgon Weyed – RW – 115 TPE

Last Mock: Mountain Thunderfist

 

Funnily enough in my last mock draft, I had insinuated that I felt like Weyed was going to climb in this mock draft, but he’s actually wound up falling down one spot in part due to not having submitted a PT yet for this week. Given that he’s done plenty of other stuff this week, I imagine he’ll get to it before the deadline closes, but right now I can only judge on what’s in-front of me, and that’s someone who is currently behind other forward talents. If he gets that PT in though, especially if it follows the Mid-Season PT protocol, he goes soaring right back up this draft into an early second rounder.

 

17 – Helsinki Titans

Chace Trepanier – LW – 129 TPE

Last Mock: Vaydar Odinsson

 

18 – Helsinki Titans (From New York)

Mountain Thunderfist – D – 120 TPE

Last Mock: Jessy Thomas

 

Helsinki get two picks straight to kick off the third and I have them taking the highest TPE players available in Trepanier and Thunderfist. Trepanier has fallen down from a mid-second to an early third rounder in this draft in part because of his decision to claim for welfare in a week where 16 TPE was available to players who submitted regular PTs, which in turn has seen him fall quite a way behind players he was once level with. He’s a consistent earner, and he will be a solid producer for the Titans down the line, but they’ll hope he can also return back to the TPE form he showed earlier on in his career.

 

Thunderfist is another very consistent earner and can be relied upon to consistently earn 8 TPE per week and would form a good partnership with Ryan Kastelic on the Titans Defensive line. There’s a chance though that should the next player I have drafted continue his very hot earning rate that he may have a little competition for that place in the draft. Jessy Thomas has unfortunately seemed to have ghosted from a number of leagues he’s in according to someone who knows him and as such is an obvious casualty of this mock draft.

 

19 – Toronto Legion

Jesse Wilson – D – 97 TPE

Last Mock: Alexander Pepper

 

20 – Riga Reign

Rylan Peace – RW – 97 TPE

Last Mock: James Lombardi

 

I’ll do the description for these two together as their stories are as similar as their TPE counts. Both have 97 TPE, both joined late in the process (Wilson had only just created as I was making my first mock draft, Peace hadn’t yet joined) but have shown terrific work rate to already jump into a spot where they could be considered a third-round or higher selection in this draft. If they keep up this earning rate, they will no doubt feature higher in the next mock.

 

21 – Helsinki Titans (From Seattle)

Joey Boucher – RW – 110 TPE

Last Mock: Joey Boucher

 

22 – Helsinki Titans (From Davos)

James Lombardi – D – 100 TPE

Last Mock: King Gow

 

Titans have another double salvo of picks, and with these, they’ll take the last remaining active players over 100 TPE who are still available in this draft. Both are consistent earners, earning around 6-8 capped TPE in any given week with both showing the potential to earn 10 TPE in a week given the time and will be good depth pieces for the Titans organization as they continue their rebuild. King Gow doesn’t feature on this mock, I believe he has some TPE that he hasn’t yet added to his player, but not enough to warrant a top three round selection unfortunately.

 

23 – Quebec City Meute

Toby Fitzgerald – D – 84 TPE

Last Mock: Jerome Mitchell

 

As Colton Rayne and Casey Jones are two of Quebec’s oldest players, the team will be looking to replace them down the line and, while Fitzgerald hasn’t quite yet displayed the top-tier earning capabilities that saw Jones and Rayne become well-known VHL defensemen, he’s a solid consistent earner of TPE that will allow him to provide depth to Quebec’s defense down the line. Which is infinitely better than the original selection I had pegged of Jerome Mitchell who can no longer visit the site after receiving a permanent ban for some really idiotic behaviour.

 

24 – Calgary Wranglers

Tyler Smith – G – 125 TPE

Last Mock: Tyler Smith

 

With the same amount of teams still not really needing a goalie combined with the massive amount of active talent in this draft class, Smith remains at 24. Hopefully the player who is currently the third best goalie in this draft class is able to complete the Mid-Season PT that he claimed to do on Tuesday, because as it stands his earning tally this week has been quite a way off what we’ve seen out of Smith in the previous weeks (The player had been pretty consistently hitting 12 capped TPE, but has not added any TPE this week as of yet). This is especially considering that Rhett Stoffiday has emerged as a hungry talent who would definitely love to have this spot in the draft himself!

 

 

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Edited February 7, 2022 by fishy
removed personal information per request by user

[ColeMrtz 574]

How did Pepper earn so much TPE so quickly holy hell I've been capping and everything

[Tagger 2,722]

Just now, ColeMrtz21 said:

How did Pepper earn so much TPE so quickly holy hell I've been capping and everything

I was thinking the same, looks like he got a couple of correct Fantasy Zone picks and has done the Twitter PT

[ColeMrtz 574]

14 minutes ago, Tagger said:

I was thinking the same, looks like he got a couple of correct Fantasy Zone picks and has done the Twitter PT

Guess I've been slackin

[Stoffiday 127]

Alright!! I'm almost on the board!!

[BOOM 8,821]

"Return of the Tittymaster".....I like it!

[Beketov 9,107]

9 hours ago, ColeMrtz21 said:

How did Pepper earn so much TPE so quickly holy hell I've been capping and everything

Welcome to my world 2 seasons ago when I was capped every week and @street was still staying ahead of me haha. Uncapped opportunities (and luck within them) go a long way.

[Cornflakers 73]

4 hours ago, Beketov said:

Welcome to my world 2 seasons ago when I was capped every week and @street was still staying ahead of me haha. Uncapped opportunities (and luck within them) go a long way.

Only reason Kastelic is so high due to his what, 5, 6? HOF articles LOL.

Leagues gotta have those kind of guys I suppose though. Here's hoping we don't get crushed by 'em in the future ><

[Beketov 9,107]

29 minutes ago, Cornflakers said:

Only reason Kastelic is so high due to his what, 5, 6? HOF articles LOL.

Leagues gotta have those kind of guys I suppose though. Here's hoping we don't get crushed by 'em in the future ><

TPE has a tendency to mean more at lower amounts. The difference between 100 and 200 is substantial but once you’re talking 500 and 600 or 900 and 1000 it’s more or less inconsequential.

[Beaviss 4,958]

9 minutes ago, Beketov said:

TPE has a tendency to mean more at lower amounts. The difference between 100 and 200 is substantial but once you’re talking 500 and 600 or 900 and 1000 it’s more or less inconsequential.

 

I have always wondered if the TPE Curve should be steeper than it is now. For example the STHS used for NHL players average stat rank is closer to 75 than 90 etc. If the lower average stat there would most likely more variance in player builds and more randomness.

[Beketov 9,107]

29 minutes ago, Beaviss said:

 

I have always wondered if the TPE Curve should be steeper than it is now. For example the STHS used for NHL players average stat rank is closer to 75 than 90 etc. If the lower average stat there would most likely more variance in player builds and more randomness.

I’ve never understood the want for randomness.

 

As for lower stats, it’s true but aside from making a ridiculous update scale or starting everything at 0 or something people will inevitably get high numbers. I already have several at 90 and 1 at 95 in my 2nd season.

[Beaviss 4,958]

8 minutes ago, Beketov said:

I’ve never understood the want for randomness.

 

As for lower stats, it’s true but aside from making a ridiculous update scale or starting everything at 0 or something people will inevitably get high numbers. I already have several at 90 and 1 at 95 in my 2nd season.

 

That's what I'm getting at it shouldn't be easy to get anywhere near 99 that should be legend status. By random I ment like more variety in player builds it's more random when all players are 99 in scoring it doesn't make your player special in anyway.

[Beketov 9,107]

Just now, Beaviss said:

 

That's what I'm getting at it shouldn't be easy to get anywhere near 99 that should be legend status. By random I ment like more variety in player builds it's more random when all players are 99 in scoring it doesn't make your player special in anyway.

It would definitely require a reset of the record books as we’ve been running this way for so long but I’ve never been opposed to that.

 

I just don’t know how much harsher we can make the update scale before it gets ridiculous. To get the last 4 points it already takes 3.5 full capped weeks.

 

It would require some testing for sure to even see how much it would reaslitically do. For example the VHLM still clearly as it’s god tier players compared to everyone else and they have those lower stats so is scaling that up going to do anything?

 

I guess it all comes down to the meta right. Theoretically NHL players cap out in stats around 80 whereas we constantly have people at 99 but that’s just where our meta sits. If we shift everything so that players basically can’t hit 90 without it being ridiculous that will justify become the new meta and everyone will be the same once again. I guess my point is that if everyone is reduced, effectively no one is reduced.

 

Ultimately the bigger issue I think is that the scoring algorithm in STHS can be rather broken to say the least. I have 95 scoring and 40 passing yet more assists than goals by a decent margin. We figured out a couple player generations back more or less the exact stats that are relevant to make a good player. If we can get those stats to 99 or 80 it won’t really matter because everyone still knows what they are. I’m not sure if the algorithm in V2 or V3 is any better but they have their own problems. Mind you, those problems might be alleviated with stats being lower.

 

Its worth testing if I have the time but as it stands, with our current version, I don’t believe it would change much to have lower stats because everyone would be lower. Would likely just create less separation between the good and the great.

[Beaviss 4,958]

6 minutes ago, Beketov said:

It would definitely require a reset of the record books as we’ve been running this way for so long but I’ve never been opposed to that.

 

I just don’t know how much harsher we can make the update scale before it gets ridiculous. To get the last 4 points it already takes 3.5 full capped weeks.

 

It would require some testing for sure to even see how much it would reaslitically do. For example the VHLM still clearly as it’s god tier players compared to everyone else and they have those lower stats so is scaling that up going to do anything?

 

I guess it all comes down to the meta right. Theoretically NHL players cap out in stats around 80 whereas we constantly have people at 99 but that’s just where our meta sits. If we shift everything so that players basically can’t hit 90 without it being ridiculous that will justify become the new meta and everyone will be the same once again. I guess my point is that if everyone is reduced, effectively no one is reduced.

 

Ultimately the bigger issue I think is that the scoring algorithm in STHS can be rather broken to say the least. I have 95 scoring and 40 passing yet more assists than goals by a decent margin. We figured out a couple player generations back more or less the exact stats that are relevant to make a good player. If we can get those stats to 99 or 80 it won’t really matter because everyone still knows what they are. I’m not sure if the algorithm in V2 or V3 is any better but they have their own problems. Mind you, those problems might be alleviated with stats being lower.

 

Its worth testing if I have the time but as it stands, with our current version, I don’t believe it would change much to have lower stats because everyone would be lower. Would likely just create less separation between the good and the great.

 

Only reason im bringing this up was I was playing a STHS GM league for fun. I noticed that stats in there are extremely different number wise.  

http://showtimeleague.com/League/Ratings/Online/1YRS/2017-18/STL.php

That has a list of stats for this past season that the STHS uses. I've found that at the end of a season they are very similar to what there real counterparts are like.

 

You will also notice that the stat numbers for Ovechkin tell a story.

 

The problem I have with the current scale is once I get to 99 scoring what now? I should be able to contribute to scoring my whole career. 

 

TLDR not enough variance in players and i think the 99 numbers break the algorithm. 

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12 minutes ago, Beaviss said:

 

Only reason im bringing this up was I was playing a STHS GM league for fun. I noticed that stats in there are extremely different number wise.  

http://showtimeleague.com/League/Ratings/Online/1YRS/2017-18/STL.php

That has a list of stats for this past season that the STHS uses. I've found that at the end of a season they are very similar to what there real counterparts are like.

 

You will also notice that the stat numbers for Ovechkin tell a story.

 

The problem I have with the current scale is once I get to 99 scoring what now? I should be able to contribute to scoring my whole career. 

 

TLDR not enough variance in players and i think the 99 numbers break the algorithm. 

Why do you think you should be able to contribute to 1 stat your entire career? Honestly 99 scoring doesn’t even mean much on its own. Without high luck handling, skating, and defense it’s worthless.

 

As for the rest, I don’t think 99 breaks the algorithm as is but it does mess with it a lot with later versions which is likely what that GM league uses. When we’ve tried V2 it was a shitshow because of our high stats but they run fine in V1.

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43 minutes ago, Beketov said:

Why do you think you should be able to contribute to 1 stat your entire career? Honestly 99 scoring doesn’t even mean much on its own. Without high luck handling, skating, and defense it’s worthless.

 

As for the rest, I don’t think 99 breaks the algorithm as is but it does mess with it a lot with later versions which is likely what that GM league uses. When we’ve tried V2 it was a shitshow because of our high stats but they run fine in V1.

 

Im not saying our system is broken im saying its flawed. I don't think i should be able to contribute my whole career but I think it should be harder than it is. i think the 10 TPE per stat point after 95 is good but stats should cost more early.

 

50-60 2 tpe

60-70 3 tpe

75-80 4 tpe

80-85 5 tpe

85-90 6 tpe

90-95 8 tpe

95-99 10 tpe

 

These are just an rough guess its to create more pure snipers 2 way forwards etc. giving people more of an identity rather than just like everyone else.

 

 

[Beketov 9,107]

31 minutes ago, Beaviss said:

 

Im not saying our system is broken im saying its flawed. I don't think i should be able to contribute my whole career but I think it should be harder than it is. i think the 10 TPE per stat point after 95 is good but stats should cost more early.

 

50-60 2 tpe

60-70 3 tpe

75-80 4 tpe

80-85 5 tpe

85-90 6 tpe

90-95 8 tpe

95-99 10 tpe

 

These are just an rough guess its to create more pure snipers 2 way forwards etc. giving people more of an identity rather than just like everyone else.

 

 

My problem with that has always been and will always be that it’ll confuse new members early. If you pump all your starting TPE into 1 stat you should be able to get it there without touching the update scale.

 

Think about it this way. If you’re completely green coming in here and just want to make a scorer you’re going to put your starting TPE all in scoring. Right now that’s fine. With that scale you suddenly see that you didn’t get 30 points in scoring, instead you got only 20. That’s off-putting to people who don’t understand what’s happening.

 

And again, we would still need to test to see if this would even change anything. Like I said, it would be applied to everyone so if everyone is shifted the same amount the likelihood is that nothing will change. Plus there’s the fact that as much as we want build diversity, we aren’t likely to ever get it without actual archetypes and limitations. We know how STHS functions, we know how to make good players. There’s very little incentive to work outside of the confines of what works.

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1 minute ago, Beketov said:

My problem with that has always been and will always be that it’ll confuse new members early. If you pump all your starting TPE into 1 stat you should be able to get it there without touching the update scale.

 

Think about it this way. If you’re completely green coming in here and just want to make a scorer you’re going to put your starting TPE all in scoring. Right now that’s fine. With that scale you suddenly see that you didn’t get 30 points in scoring, instead you got only 20. That’s off-putting to people who don’t understand what’s happening.

 

And again, we would still need to test to see if this would even change anything. Like I said, it would be applied to everyone so if everyone is shifted the same amount the likelihood is that nothing will change. Plus there’s the fact that as much as we want build diversity, we aren’t likely to ever get it without actual archetypes and limitations. We know how STHS functions, we know how to make good players. There’s very little incentive to work outside of the confines of what works.

 

The first problem we can just scrap the 50-60 tpe. I think that the meta would change with a harsher starting number beacuse every stat point would cost that much more giving more player variety. 

If you look at Keaton he's 90-99 in every stat and so is everyone else his draft class making player builds pre much the same. 

 

Only reason I'm bringing this up was I was looking at players throughout the league and most of the players even new guys are almost the same build. 

I understand that there is a meta etc but if you played the NHL edition of sths you would notice a huge difference from player to player depending on what there stats are like which is unlike here.

 

Don't get me wrong this is a hate on the VHL comment it's a how can we improve the variety and types of players instead of he has high TPE.

 

As a GM it would be cool to be looking at the types of players instead of just pure tpe.

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8 minutes ago, Beaviss said:

 

The first problem we can just scrap the 50-60 tpe. I think that the meta would change with a harsher starting number beacuse every stat point would cost that much more giving more player variety. 

If you look at Keaton he's 90-99 in every stat and so is everyone else his draft class making player builds pre much the same. 

 

Only reason I'm bringing this up was I was looking at players throughout the league and most of the players even new guys are almost the same build. 

I understand that there is a meta etc but if you played the NHL edition of sths you would notice a huge difference from player to player depending on what there stats are like which is unlike here.

 

Don't get me wrong this is a hate on the VHL comment it's a how can we improve the variety and types of players instead of he has high TPE.

 

As a GM it would be cool to be looking at the types of players instead of just pure tpe.

You can’t compare our sim to an NHL sim though, they are apples and oranges. NHL things are set in stone based off the players, they aren’t fluid. It’s easy to balance out builds when you can set them however you’d like. Ours are every changing, they are fluid. Even if, and that’s a big if, the meta shifted at all it would be temporary because eventually everyone gets better. Doesn’t matter where we start, we all improve over 8 seasons and if you want your player to improve with you it’s likely you end up in the same builds. Something like a proper 2 way forward or shut down D doesn’t happen much because we don’t have the stats to back them up at all.

 

I’m not saying I don’t understand your viewpoint, I’m saying that realistically everyone will get to the same place anyway. At most your delaying the inevitable which is fine in theory but in practice it means a scale so harsh that people don’t feel rewarded for their work. If I’m putting in a full capped week and can’t get even a point for  it does that really feel rewarding? That’s the kind of scale we’d need if you want to stop people maxing stats. As it stands our scale already takes 185 TPA to max a single stat; 15 and a half weeks of only working on 1 attribute to max.

 

And no, just removing the 50-60 wouldn’t fix that problem. Any scale under 70 means a scale is required if you plan to add your starting 30 all to one place. Unless we set our starting stats lower anyway.